Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-09 Thread Mike Waters
"Solid" in this context means not braided, and that is what the inner bonded foil shield is in my RG-6 (actually F-6, for CATV). I left out "foil", sorry. 73 Mike W0BTU On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 12:19 PM K9FD wrote: > Ever see RG6 with a solid aluminum shield? > > > One thing that hasn't been

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-09 Thread K9FD
Ever see RG6 with a solid aluminum shield? One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is how the aluminum shield, jacket, and dielectric behaves. I'm pretty sure that the CoE/°F of aluminum is *more than twice* that of copper and steel. I am speaking specifically about a solid aluminum shield

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-09 Thread Mike Waters
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is how the aluminum shield, jacket, and dielectric behaves. I'm pretty sure that the CoE/°F of aluminum is *more than twice* that of copper and steel. I am speaking specifically about a solid aluminum shield bonded to the dielectric. Braided shields

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Lee STRAHAN
More on the cable testing, Thinking along the lines Rick was I decided to retest the same cable to see if the results were repeatable. The original phase shift for both room temperatures was 59 deg. F and 23 deg. F Results were -74.6 degrees and -0.61 dB to -74.6 deg and -0.58 dB loss

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Jeff Blaine
: Richard (Rick) Karlquist Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:00 PM To: Lee STRAHAN ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables On 4/8/2020 1:28 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: Even if the copper center conductor expands, the way the cable connectors are made allows the copper

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread donovanf
: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:59:58 PM Subject: Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables On 4/8/2020 1:28 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: > Even if the copper center conductor expands, the way the cable connectors are > made allows the copper to simply push in the connector past the connection > p

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Kees Nijdam
: Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables On 4/8/2020 1:28 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: > Even if the copper center conductor expands, the way the cable connectors > are made allows the copper to simply push in the connector past the > connection point maintaining its physical length. Very ast

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Subject: Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables On 4/8/2020 1:28 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: > Even if the copper center conductor expands, the way the cable connectors > are made allows the copper to simply push in the connector past the > connection point maintaining its physical length. Ve

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 4/8/2020 1:28 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: Even if the copper center conductor expands, the way the cable connectors are made allows the copper to simply push in the connector past the connection point maintaining its physical length. Very astute. You may have explained this paradox.

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Hi Rick, Agreed, the numbers surely seemed too good to be true. I also researched cable delays versus temperature at various manufacturers. I found no data at the low bands we use. I found just enough information to make me do the test. I am confident the answers I recorded are

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/8/2020 12:28 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: What I do know about that also is mathematically those 8 elements theoretically can produce an RDF of right at 16 dB. The rub is the element amplitudes and phasing has to be controlled to some remarkable unobtainable accuracies to do that. Just

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 4/8/2020 10:37 AM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: Good morning from Oregon Top-Band people, Cable loss was -.61 dB at 59 Deg. F, And -.58 dB at an averaged cable temperature of 23 Deg. F. 59 Deg. F 23 Deg. F 1 - 74.59 DEG -74.60 DEG. 2 - 74.59 DEG -74.60 DEG. 3 -

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Lee STRAHAN
@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables Interesting Lee. I guess I never thought anything about delay lines in our weather here. I have RG-6-like cables on all my 4-squares. I was unaware electrons cared whether it was +35*C or -35*C (or general temp range here in NB) What prompted you

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/8/2020 11:48 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: I was unaware electrons cared whether it was +35*C or -35*C (or general temp range here in NB) Hi Mike, The possible variables are variations in the electrical properties of the transmission line with temperature, which are factors of the

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Mike Smith VE9AA
Interesting Lee. I guess I never thought anything about delay lines in our weather here. I have RG-6-like cables on all my 4-squares. I was unaware electrons cared whether it was +35*C or -35*C (or general temp range here in NB) What prompted you to do such testing? Thanks Mike

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/8/2020 10:37 AM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: Cable loss was -.61 dB at 59 Deg. F, And -.58 dB at an averaged cable temperature of 23 Deg. F. Great work, Lee. Thanks. 73, Jim K9YC _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread tony.kaz--- via Topband
Lee, Tnx for the info and taking the time for the test. The differences are in the noise level. Stay safe N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of Lee STRAHAN Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 1:38 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables Good

Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

2020-04-08 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Good morning from Oregon Top-Band people, I decided to re-do some previous tests of the common 75 ohm RG-6 cable I use and is used for delay cables in many places for top-band receiving systems. I just thought I would share the results of yesterday's tests. I took a delay cable that I