Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 1/10/2022 1:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: As usual, I agree with Rick.  But I'd like to observe that an extensive study of loaded mobile whips published in two parts in QEX about ten years ago showed that inductive loading, especially at the base, was a 73, Jim K9YC I wasn't clear. I

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-10 Thread Lee STRAHAN
, January 10, 2022 1:13 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP As usual, I agree with Rick. But I'd like to observe that an extensive study of loaded mobile whips published in two parts in QEX about ten years ago showed that inductive loading, especially

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-10 Thread Jim Brown
As usual, I agree with Rick. But I'd like to observe that an extensive study of loaded mobile whips published in two parts in QEX about ten years ago showed that inductive loading, especially at the base, was a bad idea, and that the closer loading moved to the top, the more efficient was the

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 1/10/2022 10:42 AM, Kenny Silverman wrote: N6BT’s ring is pretty flexible in its dimensions. It can be 3 or 4 sides (or anywhere in between) and can handle some variation in symmetry. I’ve been having issues finding a solution to the high tree attenuation on my property and I had an

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-10 Thread Kenny Silverman
N6BT’s ring is pretty flexible in its dimensions. It can be 3 or 4 sides (or anywhere in between) and can handle some variation in symmetry. I’ve been having issues finding a solution to the high tree attenuation on my property and I had an inverted L with the ring and another inverted L 340’

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-09 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Topband
I took my inspiration for the one turn counterpoise idea from HF Antenna For All Locations page 155, Fig 11.9(m). David G3UNA > On 09 January 2022 at 17:09 CUTTER DAVID via Topband > wrote: > > > Thanks, Rick. > > My particular circumstances limit me to a small triangle of ground in

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-09 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 1/9/2022 8:22 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: electric fence wire works perfectly for elevated radials  Also consider N6BT's single spiral radial configuration as an alternative to FCP. Rick N6RK _ See: https://nextgenerationantennas.com/presentations-1 Rick N6RK

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-09 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Topband
Thanks, Rick. My particular circumstances limit me to a small triangle of ground in the corner of a field and the FCP suits that very well. It would be interesting to know how the FCP compares to something well known, like a broadcast station ground. I like the idea of the spiral

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-09 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 1/9/2022 4:51 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Topband wrote: Hi Rob I see copper prices have doubled in the last year. My intention is to compare and contrast the cost and performance of short verticals over a large field of ground radials v the very modest amount of wire required for the FCP. In

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-09 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Topband
Hi Rob I see copper prices have doubled in the last year. My intention is to compare and contrast the cost and performance of short verticals over a large field of ground radials v the very modest amount of wire required for the FCP. In Guy's article

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-08 Thread Jim Brown
Message - From: "K9YC" To: "topband" Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 5:36:03 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP On 1/8/2022 7:27 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Topband wrote: I recall a discussion on here some years ago which proposed that, whilst being an amazing

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-08 Thread Wes
On 1/8/2022 8:27 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Topband wrote: Rob I recall a discussion on here some years ago which proposed that, whilst being an amazing antenna for top band, if you could achieve it, the broadcast model was not necessarily the best use of resources for amateur purposes, on the

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
I can't comment on the folded counterpoise because I am not familiar with it. The "broadcast model" which I take to mean 120 radials is used because in the case of a 90 degree tower on medium wave, the earth current intensity is far enough from the feed point to necessitate a higher number of

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-08 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/8/2022 7:27 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Topband wrote: I recall a discussion on here some years ago which proposed that, whilst being an amazing antenna for top band, if you could achieve it, the broadcast model was not necessarily the best use of resources for amateur purposes, on the basis

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-08 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Topband
Rob I recall a discussion on here some years ago which proposed that, whilst being an amazing antenna for top band, if you could achieve it, the broadcast model was not necessarily the best use of resources for amateur purposes, on the basis that broadcasters are mainly interested in ground