Re: Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-07 Thread Tom W8JI
That's pretty close. It's a 110 foot tower, with a 4 element 40 (linear loaded) on top, and a KT-36XA at 75 feet. These two antennas have their feedlines isolated from the tower, and the feed methods at the antennas are isolated from the booms, so there is no low Z common mode path, and neither

Re: Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-07 Thread Steve London
On 12/07/2012 08:29 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: In this case the original poster has a two-dipole 80-meter antenna attached high on a tower. He needs to isolate common mode 160 meter tower antenna currents and voltages from that array. 1.) He clearly stated electrical length (and by definition that als

Re: Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-07 Thread Tom W8JI
Right. 5K Ohms is a good rule of thumb for choking Z to prevent noise coupling from feedline to antenna, and if the antenna is reasonably close to balance, is also enough from the point of view of dissipation. This is where we can all get into trouble. We need to carefully read, consider, and

Re: Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I'm with Tom on this one. This is not a noise suppression problem The placement up high on the tower means that the common mode path is nearer a voltage node than a current node and we are talking about the kind of voltage up top there that can destroy a 4000 ohm ferrite device. As the the resi

Re: Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-06 Thread Jim Brown
On 12/6/2012 12:39 PM, Steve London wrote: My 160 meter shunt fed tower project is essentially done. However, I have an issue with the 80 meter antennas hung off that tower. In a nutshell, the current baluns (ferrite beads) feeding these antennas don't have enough common mode impedance on 160 m

Re: Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-06 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
Google G3TXQ COMMON-MODE Dave WX7 G On Dec 6, 2012 1:40 PM, "Steve London" wrote: > My 160 meter shunt fed tower project is essentially done. However, I have > an issue with the 80 meter antennas hung off that tower. In a nutshell, the > current baluns (ferrite beads) feeding these antennas don'

Re: Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-06 Thread Tom W8JI
My 160 meter shunt fed tower project is essentially done. However, I have an issue with the 80 meter antennas hung off that tower. In a nutshell, the current baluns (ferrite beads) feeding these antennas don't have enough common mode impedance on 160 meters. They heat up, and the SWR of the shu

Topband: Shunt fed towers and common mode chokes

2012-12-06 Thread Steve London
My 160 meter shunt fed tower project is essentially done. However, I have an issue with the 80 meter antennas hung off that tower. In a nutshell, the current baluns (ferrite beads) feeding these antennas don't have enough common mode impedance on 160 meters. They heat up, and the SWR of the shu