Thx, good to know (we sometimes use free version in webinars)
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Van: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> Namens Holger Knublauch Verzonden: dinsdag 22 juni 2021 01:26 Aan: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] Staying with official SHACL On 22/06/2021 9:10 am, Steve Ray wrote: Hi Holger, Things are looking good on my end using TBC 7.0.1 and only importing the SHACL URI and not dash or tosh. Running SHACL reasoning and SHACL validation both seem to work reliably. I'm assuming that, as you mentioned, dash and/or tosh are brought in automatically if needed. The only exception is a summer student working on the standards project who is using the TBC Free edition (which seems to have moved backwards to 6.0.1). It seems to choke when validating because it isn't finding some tosh objects. (Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Shapes graph does not include tosh:http://datashapes.org/dash#DefaultValueTypeRule) The workaround for the student is just to have him explicitly import dash.ttl whenever he wants to run the validator, but remove it before doing his git push. I know that you all aren't supporting TBC Free any more, but I just wanted to confirm that this is expected behavior. Yes this sounds plausible. The SHACL engine in that version was different. Holger Steve On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 3:58 PM Holger Knublauch <hol...@topquadrant.com<mailto:hol...@topquadrant.com>> wrote: In addition to the extra constraint components http://datashapes.org/constraints.html the dash namespace also imports the tosh namespace, which contains constraints on the SHACL metamodel and therefore is used to drive the forms in EDG. What you do with the files generated with TopBraid outside of TopBraid is of course your own decision. I assume all standards-compliant SHACL validation engines will support at least SHACL Core without any mandatory owl:imports. In the SHACL API that I wrote, the code uses dash and tosh internally to identify the constraint components, so they are internally added in case they don't exist in the provided shapes graph. But this happens automatically. Holger On 2021-06-20 7:48 am, Steve Ray wrote: Very cool! With bated breath, I tried it, and nothing blew up! It would be good to know at some point what functionality I lose by directly importing owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl>> ; instead of owl:imports <http://datashapes.org/dash> ; Steve On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:36 AM David Price <dpr...@topquadrant.com<mailto:dpr...@topquadrant.com>> wrote: Hi Steve and Michel I’m not near my computer so cannot do it for you, but suggest replacing dash import with SHACL import and trying it. I think that’s ok. Cheers, David On 19 Jun 2021, at 08:44, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com<mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote: I have exactly the same issue in CEN TC442/WG4/TG3 …. I now have: # baseURI: https://w3id.org/sml/shacl/def # imports: https://w3id.org/sml/rdfs/def # imports: http://datashapes.org/dash # imports: http://qudt.org/schema/qudt # imports: http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind # imports: http://qudt.org/vocab/unit # imports: http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core # imports: https://www.w3.org/2006/time # prefix: sml @prefix dash: <http://datashapes.org/dash#<http://datashapes.org/dash>> . @prefix sml: <https://w3id.org/sml/def#<https://w3id.org/sml/def>> . @prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl>> . @prefix quantitykind: <http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind/> . @prefix qudt: <http://qudt.org/schema/qudt/> . @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns>> . @prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#<http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema>> . @prefix sh: <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl>> . @prefix skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core>> . @prefix time: <http://www.w3.org/2006/time#<http://www.w3.org/2006/time>> . @prefix unit: <http://qudt.org/vocab/unit/> . @prefix xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema>> . <https://w3id.org/sml/shacl/def> a owl:Ontology ; owl:imports <https://w3id.org/sml/rdfs/def> ; owl:imports <http://datashapes.org/dash> ; owl:imports <http://qudt.org/schema/qudt> ; owl:imports <http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind> ; owl:imports <http://qudt.org/vocab/unit> ; owl:imports <https://www.w3.org/2006/time> ; . Etc. But people question the red. Thx michel Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms Scientist Specialist Structural Reliability T +31 (0)88 866 31 07 M +31 (0)63 038 12 20 E michel.bo...@tno.nl<mailto:michel.bo...@tno.nl> Location<http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS> <image001.gif><http://www.tno.nl/> This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in which you use it and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent to the electronic transmission of messages. Van: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com<mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com<mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> Namens Steve Ray Verzonden: vrijdag 18 juni 2021 21:58 Aan: TopBraid Suite Users <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com<mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> Onderwerp: [topbraid-users] Staying with official SHACL Hi, I'm working with a standards committee that would rather avoid straying outside the official W3C SHACL standard. My question is, if I removed the import of datashapes.org/dash<http://datashapes.org/dash> from the files I'm working with, does this bring the TopQuadrant tools to a crashing halt as far as running the SHACL reasoner? I suppose another way of asking this is whether SHACL is built in to TBC under the hood, or is the dash import part of that? Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TopBraid Suite Users" group. 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