Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 7/23/15, David Stainton dstainton...@gmail.com wrote: Why are we avoiding allowing users to make this choice because of the above reasons? If a user wants to run a relay or a bridge, we should make it easy. We don't answer the above questions when it is hard - are we really off the hook

Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 7/24/15, Yawning Angel yawn...@schwanenlied.me wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:46:26 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: [snip] Do users know that their router's implementation of NAT-PMP/uPnP is shit? Who knows better than the user? And who better than the user to take an

Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread Yawning Angel
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:21:31 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: [snip] At this point with all the resources available, I will guess that if the user needs something like tor-fw-helper, they probably have no idea what router firmware is. Right - but why should they need to

Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread coderman
On 7/24/15, Yawning Angel yawn...@schwanenlied.me wrote: ... I have less objections towards people using tor-fw-helper for bridges than for something like flashproxy or full fledged relays. ... IMO similar to relays with insufficient bandwidth, relays that can't connect to any other relay on