[tor-dev] First release of OnioNS for beta testing

2015-08-08 Thread Jesse V
Happy Saturday everyone, At long last, 310 commits later, I am pleased to present a release of the Onion Name System (OnioNS), a DNS for Tor hidden services. This release is a usability test; it offers reliable behind-the-scenes integration with the Tor Browser, a friendly command-line dialog

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Alec Muffett
On Aug 8, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Alec Muffett al...@fb.com wrote: 9) appending a credit-card-like “you typed this properly” extra few characters checksum over the length might be helpful (10..15 bits?) - ideally this might help round-up the count of characters to a full field, eg: XXX in

[tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Alec Muffett
Hi All, Having Beer with Donncha, Yan and others in Berlin a few days ago, discussion moved to Onion-Address Human Factors. Summary points: 1) it’s all very well to go an mine something like “facebookcorewwwi” as an onion address, but 16 characters probably already exceeds human ability for

Re: [tor-dev] First release of OnioNS for beta testing

2015-08-08 Thread Xinwen Fu
Fantastic work. Will test it. Xinwen Fu On Aug 8, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Jesse V kernelc...@riseup.net wrote: Happy Saturday everyone, At long last, 310 commits later, I am pleased to present a release of the Onion Name System (OnioNS), a DNS for Tor hidden services. This release is a

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Paul Syverson
Hi Alec, On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 11:36:35AM +, Alec Muffett wrote: Hi All, Having Beer with Donncha, Yan and others in Berlin a few days ago, discussion moved to Onion-Address Human Factors. Summary points: 1) it’s all very well to go an mine something like “facebookcorewwwi” as

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 11:36:35AM +, Alec Muffett wrote: 5) taking a cue from World War Two cryptography, breaking this into banks of five characters which provide the eyeball a point upon which to rest, might help:

[tor-dev] collector problems since 2015-08-07 18:00?

2015-08-08 Thread nusenu
Hi, I was wondering why onionoo reported empty platform strings for a growing number of relays. I wanted to confirm that by looking at collector data, but then I noticed that there is a problem with collector data itself. Files in [1] usually have a size of around 1 MB, currently they are at

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Alec Muffett
Gah, I am evidently having a bad day with e-mail, so I am going to send a typo correction with this and then go do something else instead. Corrections in caps, below. — Alec Muffett Security Infrastructure Facebook Engineering London On Aug 8, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Alec Muffett al...@fb.com

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Alec Muffett
— Alec Muffett Security Infrastructure Facebook Engineering London On Aug 8, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote:

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Alec Muffett
On Aug 8, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Paul Syverson paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: Hi Paul! I think it would be valid to propose a third direction, which is to partially give-up arguing about the importance of Zooko’s Triangle and instead make attempts to meet human beings and computers somewhere

Re: [tor-dev] collector problems since 2015-08-07 18:00?

2015-08-08 Thread Tom Ritter
In the event of collector missing data, there are (at least) two backup instances. One is at bwauth.ritter.vg - no website, just files. Does that have the same issue? -tom ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread David Goulet
On 08 Aug (11:36:35), Alec Muffett wrote: Hi All, Having Beer with Donncha, Yan and others in Berlin a few days ago, discussion moved to Onion-Address Human Factors. Beers, very nice! :) [snip] 5) taking a cue from World War Two cryptography, breaking this into banks of five

Re: [tor-dev] collector problems since 2015-08-07 18:00?

2015-08-08 Thread nusenu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 In the event of collector missing data, there are (at least) two backup instances. One is at bwauth.ritter.vg - no website, just files. Does that have the same issue? https://bwauth.ritter.vg/rsync/relay-descriptors/server-descriptors-cat/

Re: [tor-dev] collector problems since 2015-08-07 18:00?

2015-08-08 Thread Karsten Loesing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/08/15 16:16, nusenu wrote: In the event of collector missing data, there are (at least) two backup instances. One is at bwauth.ritter.vg - no website, just files. Does that have the same issue?

[tor-dev] Invitation to participate in a survey about Tor's future

2015-08-08 Thread Sue Gardner
Hello people of tor-dev, You may have heard that I'm working with the Tor Project to help it develop a strategic plan [1]. To kick off, we're running a survey asking Tor-related people their opinions about Tor and its future. I'd like to invite you to participate:

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread bernard
Hi, Right now, .onion URLs are not human readable. Neither are they easy for humans to recognise OR recall. The way information is presented to humans can greatly influence how we recognise, recall it and process it. The ideal situation is for the user to recognise a piece of information. It

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread grarpamp
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Alec Muffett al...@fb.com wrote: 9) appending a credit-card-like “you typed this properly” extra few characters checksum over the length might be helpful (10..15 bits?) - ideally this might help round-up the count of characters to a full field,

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Jeff Burdges
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 11:36:35AM +, Alec Muffett wrote: 4) from Proposal 244, the next generation addresses will probably be about this long: a1uik0w1gmfq3i5ievxdm9ceu27e88g6o7pe0rffdw9jmntwkdsd.onion 5) taking a cue from World War Two cryptography, breaking this

Re: [tor-dev] Invitation to participate in a survey about Tor's future

2015-08-08 Thread teor
Hi Sue, On 9 Aug 2015, at 04:34 , Sue Gardner susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: Hello people of tor-dev, You may have heard that I'm working with the Tor Project to help it develop a strategic plan [1]. To kick off, we're running a survey asking Tor-related people their opinions about Tor

Re: [tor-dev] Future Onion Addresses and Human Factors

2015-08-08 Thread Jeremy Rand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/08/2015 11:39 PM, Jeff Burdges wrote: On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 08:44 -0400, Paul Syverson wrote: One is to produce human meaningful names in association with onion addresses. Coincidentally Jesse has just announce to this same list a