[tor-dev] [Proposal] Obfuscating the Tor Browser Bundle initial download

2016-05-09 Thread Blake Hadley
Hey everyone, [How it's currently done] Distributed by get...@torproject.com, the URL makes it pretty clear what you're downloading. Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9ug2rzvj85791/torbrowser-install-5.5.5_en-US.exe?dl=1 Google Drive: https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B76pDbk5No54VHowTEpr

Re: [tor-dev] [Proposal] Obfuscating the Tor Browser Bundle initial download

2016-05-09 Thread Yawning Angel
On Mon, 9 May 2016 15:09:37 -0400 Blake Hadley wrote: > Hey everyone, > > [How it's currently done] > > Distributed by get...@torproject.com, the URL makes it pretty clear > what you're downloading. > Dropbox: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9ug2rzvj85791/torbrowser-install-5.5.5_en-US.exe?dl

Re: [tor-dev] [Proposal] Obfuscating the Tor Browser Bundle initial download

2016-05-09 Thread Blake Hadley
> The environment you're were in was mounting a MITM attack to break TLS, > or has compromised your box, because the only component of the URL that > is visible otherwise is the host in the SNI field. > > In such an environment, gettor in general isn't unblockable because > there is no privacy/secu

Re: [tor-dev] [Proposal] Obfuscating the Tor Browser Bundle initial download

2016-05-09 Thread William Waites
Blake Hadley writes: > > The environment requires an HTTPS proxy to reach the World Web Web. > > Do HTTP proxies inherently create a situation similar to MITM? Yes, that is exactly what they do. If your web browser isn't nagging you all the time with "hey this certificate is untrusted" then a si

Re: [tor-dev] [Proposal] Obfuscating the Tor Browser Bundle initial download

2016-05-09 Thread David Fifield
On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 09:23:20PM +, William Waites wrote: > > Blake Hadley writes: > > > > The environment requires an HTTPS proxy to reach the World Web Web. > > > > Do HTTP proxies inherently create a situation similar to MITM? > > Yes, that is exactly what they do. If your web browser i

Re: [tor-dev] [Proposal] Obfuscating the Tor Browser Bundle initial download

2016-05-09 Thread moosehadley
> On May 9, 2016, at 5:54 PM, David Fifield wrote: > > Well, an "HTTPS proxy" doesn't have to be a TLS interception device. > When I think "HTTPS proxy", I think of an ordinary HTTP proxy using the > CONNECT method to support TLS. In that case, the proxy does not get to > see plaintext, which in