All,
>
We learnt a lot from doing it last year, and we have plans to make it
more efficient this year. (And get more people on it.)
We have already gone from having 0 paid people on it, to having 1
paid person on it (and they do many other tasks as well). I think we
are getting more to help o
They are as good as their word.Robert-Original Message-From: tsh...@torproject.orgSent: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:32:37 -0800To: beatthebasta...@inbox.comSubject: Relay ShirtYour t-shirt has shipped! Tracking# LYt65rfhyy65US.You can track it here: https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmActio
I have finally got a bloody tshirt.
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> For 4 relays, you'll want at least 2 IP addresses, since we try to
> not make it easy for somebody to spin up too many relays on too few
> IP addresses.
Merry Chrismas Roger,
I think he meant four VPSs so four IPs.
Tor neve
> I think he meant four VPSs so four IPs.
> Robert
Or not.
My head was reeling from getting a tshirt.
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Please note the last bit about Sunny, Your Mum.I can't disclose what special gift Barry (I like to call him ) may or may not have given me but I can say the view from space is excellent.-Original Message-From: i...@mail.whitehouse.govSent: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 09:20:37 -0
Michael,
Jon Selon seems to be the Shirt Commander
He didn't muck around sending mine.
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Did he not mean that it is well run yet did dopey things such as giving
outgoing ip address to the police which made no sense?
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The salient point...
" Real problems are rare, and running relays is fun :) "
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哦！ 你想订阅列表！看看这两个可以加入的页面。tor-relay是用于聊天运行一个继电器，电话是关于更通用的东西。继续写中文，有人可能回信。https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talkhttps://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays抢-Original Message-From: gmf...@gmail.comSent: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:17:20 +0800To: tor-relay
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There was some excellent comedy when the Prime Minister and Attorney-General
and even the tech head were asked to define metadata.
Robert
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https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en still says ject.org tor-experimental-0.3.1.x-stretch main
which update can't find.
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Putting relays where there aren't many now would be good for diversity.
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Hej,
I have three :) obfsproxy AWS accounts going but I can't prove they are working
usefully.
There's in-out activity but not as much as I'd guess.
The FAQ at cloud.torproject advises to use the public DNS address+443 i.e.
ec2-192-0-2-27.compute-1.amazonaws.com= 192.0.2.27:443 b
Thank you Runa.
Tor browser on a desktop didn't get through using (ip changed)
ec2-192-0-2-27.compute-1.amazonaws.com
ec2-192-0-2-27.compute-1.amazonaws.com:443, and 40872 and 52176
192.0.2.27 and :443 40872 52176
Orweb didn't work either using http and https plus the above.
Robert
Runa,
I made exceptions in XP's firewall for each.
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Hej,On trying to get a non-exit relay going on a cheap VPS Vidalia saysSep 02 03:48:32.146 [Warning] Received NETINFO cell with skewed time
from server at 128.31.0.34:9101. It seems that our clock is ahead by 9
hours, 0 minutes, or that theirs is behind. Tor requires an accurate
clock to wo
Thanks, Roger,
I believe the server is in France and ultimately owned by a German company but
it has some sort of connection to the USA and I am ten hours ahead.
I have tried the timezone as Germany and Belgium to see, and set the clock on
the server for the nine hours difference.
Also I have
Hej,
Reporting that message is on my two exit relays running for just one day.
Robert
> Hi tor-relay list,
>
> I have been running a tor node for 133 days and Im starting to receive
> some weird messages in the log file. One of them look like this:
> Received http status cod
Definitely a newboy questionI ssh into an Ubuntu 13.04 (from Ubuntu 13.04) and see root@vps09:~#.To get a gui going which I can handle I apt-get updateapt-get install ubuntu-desktopboth worked. Restarted.I can't get the gui to start.What is a better way to control and install an exit
An exit relay that has just been updated to 0.2.4.17-rc produced this messageSep 07 19:59:30.996 [Warning] Your Guard maisterikaarna ($C3B7CC79FD4E302AF8956A7B02F0FC7AAB4A6AF8) is failing a very large amount of circuits. Most likely this means the Tor network is overloaded, but it could also me
Sep 10 06:11:16.044 [Warning] eventdns: Address mismatch on received DNS packet. Apparent source was 83.83.20.233:49222Sep 10 06:11:19.356 [Warning] eventdns: Address mismatch on received DNS packet. Apparent source was 217.123.79.149:23102Sep 10 06:11:19.372 [Warning] eventdns: Address misma
Tian
"... to find public bridge addresses ... send mail to
brid...@bridges.torproject.org with the line "get bridges" by itself in the
body of the mail. You'll need to send this request from a gmail
account, though — otherwise we make it too easy for an attacker
to make a l
Isn't it reimbursement for running a relay?
How much Tor uses it is not directly due to the cost.
If the relay is set to be used fully as Tor might use it and is not a
particularly costly server isn't it of equal value?
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What should be made of this considering there can't be many computers still running from 1970?Sep 21 05:22:01.021 [Warning] Received NETINFO cell with skewed time from server at 76.73.17.194:9090. It seems that our clock is ahead by 15969 days, 3 hours, 22 minutes, or that theirs is behind. To
acks a person can perform on a running Tor relay to take
>>> remote control of it, and assuming the said person could pull that
>>> off, is it possible to extend this control to the other computers
>>> behind the same router? I am aware of possible DDOS attacks and o
f you are willing to support the ideals of the Tor project, you should be willing to run an exit relay. Obviously, without exit relays, the Tor project would be useless.
I am unable to surf to exactly one site that I know of, a hosting provider. I solved that problem by choosing another hosting pro
That's well and good for ONE country.
Of the many other countries those which have not been proven to be
nerve-racking for Tor exit donors would be better tested than declared inviable
by people who don't actually know.
IMO
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Roger,
Thanks for your dedication.
It's better discussed elsewhere but it seems important for relay operators to
be aware of it.
It is illuminating too in light of the fears expressed of exit nodes.
It sounds like the focus is more on who is using Tor and what is going through
it rather than us
Is there any utility in the very cheap VPSs with 128mb of ram?
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Gordon,
It seems useful to run obfsproxy bridges on $1 a month VPSs then.
Can weather.torproject.org be used to monitor whether they're running or not?
Robert
>>> Is there any utility in the very cheap VPSs with 128mb of ram?
>>
>> I did some testing quite a while ag
Mick,
Is Serverstack.nl particularly pro-tor exit nodes?
By the front page it would seem so.
Robert
>
> I run tor perfectly happily on a VPS with 512MB of RAM. That node
> is on a Gig backbone, advertises 2.1 MB/s (2100 KB) and shovels data at
> anywhere between 24 and 32 Mb
Gordon,
To see if it was possible just now I set up an obfsproxy bridge as best I could
but it failed to download properly. The instructions say set up Tor then the
obfsproxy software which seemed to use up the ram.
(I've reinstalled the OS from Ubuntu 11.. to Quantal)
Have I misunder
Gordon,
Thanks.
>> To see if it was possible just now I set up an obfsproxy bridge as
>> best I could but it failed to download properly.
I reinstalled Ubuntu 11.10 64 and free -m brought this..
total used free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:
Gordon,
Thank you.
I may have a go at building the package from source, now.
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> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Amazon abuse report
>
> On 28.10.2013 22:10, Sanjeev Gupta wrote:
>> Since Tor Cloud https://cloud.torproject.org/ suggests running on Amazon
>> EC2, I am confused.
>
> Tor Cloud
On the other hand the reports, of actual problems, don't seem to be many.
The mutterings and rumours do seem to echo.
Of the eighteen exit relays I've run (for just a few months) only a couple have
brought letters over copyright and they were in the USA. I am having to deal
with the p
Putting the extensive exit restriction policy in the responses to take-down
demands seems like a good idea.
Robert
> Publication of sample exit policies? Would that encourage exit node
> operators
> to run restricted exit policies, and save themselves loads of bandwidth
> and
> DMCA headache?
All,
"If Tor is made non-exit by default, it can be explained to the hosters that
Tor out-of-the box will not bring any legal stress their way. It may even
encourage them to run a few relays themselves. :)
Parity.Boy"
That's on the right track.
If running a non-exit relay were clearly separa
Ip tables are a mystery to me.Can someone either explain them or point to a complete explanation, please?Robert
"Also, use iptables! If it is a dedicated VPS then drop anything you dont recognize, "leaving only Tor ports (9001,9030 default) and maybe a service port like 22 for SSH for "somethi
Mick!
Thank you. Iptables is a programme!
I'm off and reading. It appears I need them on my VPSs.
Robert
>> Ip tables are a mystery to me.
>> Can someone either explain them or point to a complete explanation,
>> please?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> &qu
Lunar,
There are some $1 a month VPSs which could be used for bridges, I gather.
Can you say that bridges wouldn't use more than 100GB a month?
Robert
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That's what I thought.
It's a shame not to find a use for what is there, though.
Robert
> I've seen bridges range from no traffic in a month to a full terabyte in
> a month.
>
> So that 100GB may sit unused or it may be exhausted in days.
>
>>
>>
I heartily agree
>
> I'd say if you want to run an exit node you shouldn't try to hide. You
> should own a public IP and run it under your name and state that it is
> an exit node at as many levels as possible (whois, website on some ports
> (there is a template somew
For protest I agree USA should be avoided but I have had very little trouble
and great speed on seven exit relays there.
> And to the guys saying "avoid the ussa like the plague" this wanna-be
> expat agrees 100%. Sadly! And for a whole lot more tha
All,
Isn't the free deal for one instance only?
Since they seem to count eligibility by credit card accounts just reassure your
family and friends that it is free and that you will reimburse them should a
small charge come up.
Robert
It sounds like a challenge to get a relay up in China...
Perhaps this talk might inpsire a way of helping Tor into China.
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_anti_behind_the_great_firewall_of_china.html
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Perhaps he's running the Tor cloud obfsproxy bridge on the free ECC (EC2) deal
at Amazon.
>>
>> ec2bridgerocks001 D06C B145 56C1 F73A F317 B555 C279 2F7B 105C 95B4
>>
>> It's been operational for 6 days now, Tor has been reporting bandwidth
>> usa
I too found there was a variation from the Tor instructions and the Amazon
offer depending on where you opted to have the 'instance'. It appeared that
they were offering free instances in some places only.
You can set billing alerts so you know when it goes into charging e.g. $1.
Please could someone put that in the torrc file or in the configuration page?
>
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013, Florian Lindner wrote:
>
>> Bandwidth (limit: 16 Mb/s, burst: 32 Mb/s, measured: 48.6 Kb/s):
>
>> Why is bandwidth limit 16 Mb/s? Why bandwidth burst 32 Mb/s?
>
> Burst is not a rate. Its un
Excellent news!
...and I will use the description of Tor because it is the best I've seen.
Who would be against Tor after reading this
''Tor is free software and an open network that helps internet users to
defend against traffic analysis, a form of network surveillance that
thr
Could you expand that it little further, please?
Robert
>
> You may use a dynamic dns resolver such as freedns.afraid.org, dyn.com
> or noip.com etc, then you can use your full dns name instead of your
> current IP address.
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Would any pundit tell me if there is anything an exit or relay operator can do
about malware using Tor in the news today e.g. Chewbacca (found by Kaspersky) ?
Robert
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Thomas et al,Thank you Thomas and EvaldoTor is for passing on everything without censoring it, I know and agree.The news tidbit I saw implied that they were integrating malware with Tor somehow.RobertHi Robert, the design of Tor is such that it is not possible to determine what traffic inside
Atlas was accurate but Torstatus has the contact details wrong for mine.
> Since i switched to 0.2.4.19 a few days ago i noticed some strange
> behaviour. Sometimes the data seems to he corrupted i see on
> torstatus.info. The atlas data seems to be right though. Afaik only the
>
I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt from donated
resources.
It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time running
ignoring minor disruptions.
Robert
> : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email
> : -Uptime is
Roger Dingledine and Jacob Applebaum speaking on Tor at 30C3
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I donated to Tor a few times because I couldn't use Linux, a VPS, or get past the port problems from home. Donations of cash are far better than using volunteers to send a partly profitable t-shirt.After the threshold of my first relay (an exit on a Windows VPS) Tor weather promised a t-
Is there video?
>
> Moritz Bartl:
>> Torservers.net invites Tor exit relay operators and organizations to a
>> meetup. If possible/relevant, for example if you're a member of one of
>> the 'Torservers partner organizations', please prepare some slides on
>> your activities. We will do quick prese
In this morning's messages -
One about three relays paid for a year in advance.
“Something Solutions LLC has decided to ban the usage of TOR.“ despite “We DO
Allow Tor Relays" being in their current AUP.
One about downloading Tor and installing it as an exit for me when I couldn
/main/binar
y-i386/Packages Undetermined Error [IP: 38.229.72.14 80]
Either could someone tell me how to force an update from the very old Ubuntu
held one I managed to get or tell me how to get to the current package some
other way?
Searching for help for
Noilson, thanks,Since I'm doing it by the command line I was having trouble with both the mirror being 'deprecated' and my lack of Linux knowledge.That page and the command line version don't tell you what to do in fine detail or what to do when it doesn't work w
Is there a way to open ports for Tor as an VPS account holder?
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written objection to Tor left me vulnerable to various methods of reducing their exposure to copyright litigation. Other VPSs still have the statement "Tor relays are ok" on their site yet emailed me that they must stop once I'd paid a year in advance.
So if I can avoid discussion with
Luther,
Following that page's help has allowed me to get mulitple VPSs working for Tor
but I am asking what to do when apt-get update or yum update doesn't get the
newer version of Tor.
How an update can be forced is the question.
(The failure was not due to the typing mist
Luther,
Lacking a Linux secret jargon decoder I don't know what to say.
I've followed the steps a number of times and sometimes they don't work. Of
course the people reselling VPS fragments may not know what they are doing.
Perhaps that is the reason Tor is refused so much.
Ro
Luther,
Here again is some of the outcome
Err http://deb.torproject.org experimental-precise/main i386 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 86.59.30.40 80]
Ign http://deb.torproject.org precise/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://deb.torproject.org precise/main Translation-en
Ign http://deb.torproject.or
Noilson, Andrew,I noticed the difference between the sources.list lines and the one below with dist in it so I copied and pasted the ones from the Tor installation help page which are the same as yours and they came out with dist in them in the update ?report again.Since then I have managed
n the older one will not appear.
Robert
> Here are my questions: I run a small exit relay on my computer.
> (Nickname is Andy45 and IP address is 108.249.221.251 if you want to
> look at this problem on Atlas for your self.)
>
> When I look up my relay on the Atlas, the relay
It is Crissic I was referring to.I've been caught by several similarly.But I can say that a couple have quietly let it go on after I put some argument taken from Jacob, Roger, and others of the real legal status of nodes and Tor's real value. Some say Tor's good but the busi
Alan,
They did nothing about twelve exits without the restricted port list for two
months possibly because they were Windows ones through an agent.
It was unluckily during the botnet problem and they used to go off daily I
think because of the cpu load.
OVH must be have able to discern that
Moritz,
How would I know that it is alright to run more than one instance of Tor?
Is it possible to prevent cpu use from causing VPS businesses threatening
suspension?
Robert
> First of all, if you don't limit your relay bandwidth and hit CPU
> limits, this will have a negative
Moritz,
Inarticulate I may be... but my intention is to expand Tor's contribution to
people power.
The question is from an ab initio in Linux, servers and Tor guts and Tor's
security integrity.
I am asking from the point of view of running more than one Tor thingy on one
server
Does anyone know how to get past this to get the exit running on Debian 6, please? Our clock is 6 hours, 48 minutes behind the time published in the consensus network status document (2014-01-14 11:00:00 UTC). Tor needs an$Jan 13 23:11:25.000 [notice] I learned some more directory information
Jeroen,
Thank you. It did that but I can't see a change.
The VPS person said it is set to UTC. Previously on another VPS it was another
relay in the ?circuit which had the time difference.
Now I see this:-
Our clock is 6 hours, 25 minutes behind the time published in the consensus
ne
Moritz and Jeroen,
Thank you both.
I tried both your ideas but the system is set to prevent the time being changed
as you thought.
Another plea to the VPS controllers and it was corrected. So the lesson there
is presume it is the VPS set-up first and foremost.
You both should know that the
Patrick,
That's a good effort getting through the EC2 set-up!
> Hi all,
>
> Now I created a bridge, I'd like to create a relay on a dedicated server.
> Patrick ZAJDA
A place to look for lower cost virtual private servers is http://lowendbox.com
and as well from that
Has that illustrated for the developers that determined, motivated people can
be confused by the terms?
Bridge, exit and relay are clear terms but not when interchanged with bridge
relay, exit node, exit relay, obfsproxy and others.
Robert
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Hej,
> I have found the Tor community to be much less abrasive
> and hostile to those less technically aware than other FOSS communities
> but I can understand your reluctance to post.
This was asked after an online news item on "Tor's new software".
> What is Torti
Hej,
[WARNING - if you don't want to see another Tor relay get going stop reading
now.]
After installing Tor on a VPS running Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS it reports
[warn] Your server (173.208.211.179:9030) has not managed to confirm that its
DirPort is reachable. Please check your firewalls, ports, ad
Sebastian,
That's the spirit!
To me that feels like the right thinking.
In etc/hostname there is just ubuntu. In the details for the VPS the hostname
is VM#16 which I can't change there.
Therefore what would be correct to put in the etc/hostname file?
Is it useful to know that the
LTS it reports
>>
>> [warn] Your server (173.208.211.179:9030) has not managed to confirm
>> that its DirPort is reachable. Please check your firewalls, ports,
>> address,...
>
> Hi, Robert.
>
> I would try setting your VPS IP as the Address value in torrc.
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Hej,Is your relay at home? Is your relay in your country?The exits which I have in Germany are the fastest and are no worry at all especially because I am far away.There have been 5,000 relays and exits each day for some time yet there has been not one real legal problem, to my
To avoid dragging down the quality of debate on this list it would help me to speak to people in Sydney who could advise me directly.Robert
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Not apparently. I tried them. They are shrinking out of apathy which is endemic
in Australia.
Robert
Prove me wrong, numbats!
>
> Wayne
>
> On 25 January 2014 00:31, I wrote:
>> To avoid dragging down the quality of debate on this list it would help
>> me
>> to
Through an agent 12 Tor exit VPSs ran flat chat on the Roubaix site for three months. Copyright threats came twice that I know of only because they changed the ip address saying there'd been a letter. The 12 only exits because I couldn't keep up with the goats stopping them very
ve as
> much freedom of accesses as us.Question if I just set my computer to not
> go into sleep mode is that all that is needed to let people use my
> connection when I am not using it.Specs home built as-rock 787 pro3 8gig
> of ram dsl connect low speed att offers.
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