On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 04:13:00PM -0800, Nelson wrote:
I do believe there is a benefit to Torrents as many of us can attest to,
ex: fast downloads of different Linux distros; but if your use of
Torrents is in fact legit then why use Tor for downloading your legal
content in the first place?
Access to tails does not depend on any specific transfer protocol such
as torrents correct?
Could it not be made available on a hidden service, a website. an email
or ftp server within tor?
On 11/4/2013 11:45 PM, Nelson wrote:
From all that I have read in these lists not all exit nodes
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gq:
Access to tails does not depend on any specific transfer protocol
such as torrents correct?
Could it not be made available on a hidden service, a website. an
email or ftp server within tor?
An http hidden service with the .onion link in
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Lukas Erlacher:
your refusal to pay for content people create.
That's a silly smear.
If an endless tsunami of torrent traffic makes it so Tor users can't
buy music off bandcamp - a site where the artist gets the lion's
share, and where some
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Lukas Erlacher:
Let me chime in here in regards to torrents to be perhaps not the
devil's, but the radical's advocate.
A lot of the people wishing to handle bittorrent are aware of these
arguments and may not wish to block it so much as throttle
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 08:18:29AM -0800, Gordon Morehouse wrote:
[snip]
That's just plain silly.
Not as silly as you think, but the outright blocking vs finding ways
to throttle is more a discussion worth having. I suspect most of the
Silent Majority(tm), if polled, would rather
On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 14:38:40 -0500, Paul Syverson paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 08:18:29AM -0800, Gordon Morehouse wrote:
[snip]
That's just plain silly.
Not as silly as you think, but the outright blocking vs finding ways
to throttle is more a
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:58:57 +, Paritesh Boyeyoko parity@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 14:39:28 Gordon Morehouse wrote:
Completely aside from the ethical and censorship-related buzzsaw you're
about to run into for posting this (perennial) question, I believe some
actual
My main concern, and the reason I asked about blocking specific traffic
(ip's from blacklisted p2p sites), is mainly due to the problem the
original poster faces with DMCA; abuse complaints and the possibility of
being shutdown. No one wants to volunteer a service and then face legal
issues. Who
On Nov 4, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Nelson nel...@net2wireless.net wrote:
I do believe there is a benefit to Torrents as many of us can attest to,
ex: fast downloads of different Linux distros; but if your use of
Torrents is in fact legit then why use Tor for downloading your legal
content in the
From all that I have read in these lists not all exit nodes are
configured exactly the same, so some level of traffic control is being
rightly exercised by the operator(s). For any given reason be it moral,
ethical or legal many well known ports are being blocked, as was
previously discussed, as
On 11/03/2013 03:30 AM, t...@tafb.xxx wrote:
I'm new to running a relay. There are lots of exit policies when I
look at my atlas details:
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/DDB401F4CA108C6F6AF4E0DCE2DFC3407F577B21
Is this a pretty good exit policy list to prevent harassment from my ISP?
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Paritesh Boyeyoko:
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 14:39:28 Gordon Morehouse wrote:
Completely aside from the ethical and censorship-related buzzsaw
you're about to run into for posting this (perennial) question, I
believe some actual developers on Tor
On 11/03/2013 at 6:51 AM, Moritz Bartl wrote:
Where did you copy that policy from?
It is the default policy that was installed with Vidalia.
A more conservative approach would be whitelisting, ie. Only
allow specific ports while blocking all others. The reduced
exit policy is such a
Let me chime in here in regards to torrents to be perhaps not the
devil's, but the radical's advocate.
I'm sure everyone here will agree that a good case can be made that
copyright laws as they stand today are a perversion of, and
counter-productive to, their original stated intention of
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I don't think this is the right place for you to try and justify your refusal
to pay for content people create. I think most people on this list would prefer
you keep political opinions not related to tor off list.
Cheers
Ramo
On Sun, Nov 03,
your refusal to pay for content people create.
That's a silly smear.
not related to tor
That's just plain silly.
Did you really enter this thread just to flame? That's also silly.
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On 11/02/2013 01:15 PM, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:
Publication of sample exit policies? Would that encourage exit node
operators
to run restricted exit policies, and save themselves loads of bandwidth and
DMCA headache?
Is there a forum where one can put up a sticky post with sample exit
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 20:02:29 Gordon Morehouse wrote:
What if someone inside a totalitarian state is attempting to upload
evidence of a massacre to a service which runs on port 80?
Yeah, I did think of this but I thought I'd put it out there anyway.
Unfortunately, too many sites/services
On Saturday 02 Nov 2013 13:21:39 Moritz Bartl wrote:
On 11/02/2013 01:15 PM, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:
Publication of sample exit policies? Would that encourage exit node
operators to run restricted exit policies, and save themselves loads of
bandwidth and DMCA headache?
Is there a forum
On 11/02/2013 02:46 PM, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:
I'm just finding it difficult to accept that there's little to be done. As
far
as I can see, the only way BitTorrent content distibution can work across Tor
is because exits are allowing accept *:* as their exit policy - torrent
clients
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Paritesh Boyeyoko:
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 20:02:29 Gordon Morehouse wrote:
What if someone inside a totalitarian state is attempting to
upload evidence of a massacre to a service which runs on port
80?
Yeah, I did think of this but I
On Saturday 02 Nov 2013 17:10:50 Moritz Bartl wrote:
As one of the large operators that indeed allows exiting on all ports
except 25: This is on purpose. I don't consider applications that choose
random ports as bad, I don't consider file sharing per se as bad. I
don't want to interfere with
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 14:39:28 Gordon Morehouse wrote:
Completely aside from the ethical and censorship-related buzzsaw you're
about to run into for posting this (perennial) question, I believe some
actual developers on Tor have written a paper about the problems with
Bittorrent et al (and I
Putting the extensive exit restriction policy in the responses to take-down
demands seems like a good idea.
Robert
Publication of sample exit policies? Would that encourage exit node
operators
to run restricted exit policies, and save themselves loads of bandwidth
and
DMCA headache?
I'm new to running a relay. There are lots of exit policies when I look at my
atlas details:
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/DDB401F4CA108C6F6AF4E0DCE2DFC3407F577B21
Is this a pretty good exit policy list to prevent harassment from my ISP?
Thanks!
-Jamie M.
Putting the extensive exit
Gordon Morehouse:
Yeah... you guys would know better than me about that, but speaking
from the perspective of a small fish, the exit-as-default torrc is a
serious WTF? and always has been, given potential legal trouble in
privacy-hostile countries.
I have phrased this differently but I
On Thursday 31 Oct 2013 21:52:41 Roger Dingledine wrote:
The main reason for this choice is the number of people who've told us
that they are only able to run exit relays because it's what Tor does
when you run a relay, and their institution wouldn't let them do it if
it required a manual
them.
Just have a go.
Robert
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Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Amazon abuse report
On Thursday 31 Oct 2013 21:52:41 Roger Dingledine wrote:
The main reason
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 05:37:14 I wrote:
The advice on how to manage exit problems seems to
be very sound and Tor is defensible because it is being abused by
torrenting also.
...and this is something else I don't quite understand. People who know about
Tor (which obviously includes exit
Please excuse my ignorance operating Tor relays, but if I run an exit
node on Windows 7 and use something like Peerblock and correspoding
block lists of P2P sites, wouldn't this be somewhat effective in
stopping this sort of undesired traffic on Tor?
On 11/1/2013 10:48 AM, Paritesh Boyeyoko
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:48:44 +, Paritesh Boyeyoko parity@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 05:37:14 I wrote:
The advice on how to manage exit problems seems to
be very sound and Tor is defensible because it is being abused by
torrenting also.
...and this is something
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 11:22:19 -0700, Nelson nel...@net2wireless.net wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance operating Tor relays, but if I run an exit
node on Windows 7 and use something like Peerblock and correspoding
block lists of P2P sites, wouldn't this be somewhat effective in
stopping this
On 13-11-01 01:48 PM, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 05:37:14 I wrote:
The paper http://planete.inrialpes.fr/papers/TorTraffic-NSS10.pdf shows
54.48%
of the traffic passing through the sample exit nodes was BiTorrent traffic.
Isnt that about the same percentage on the
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 11:22:19 Nelson wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance operating Tor relays, but if I run an exit
node on Windows 7 and use something like Peerblock and correspoding
block lists of P2P sites, wouldn't this be somewhat effective in
stopping this sort of undesired traffic on
Nelson:
Please excuse my ignorance operating Tor relays, but if I run an exit
node on Windows 7 and use something like Peerblock and correspoding
block lists of P2P sites, wouldn't this be somewhat effective in
stopping this sort of undesired traffic on Tor?
No. If the relay says it will
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 19:36:11 krishna e bera wrote:
Isnt that about the same percentage on the non-Tor internet?
Probably. :)
It would help if most bittorrent trackers enforced sharing ratios of
around 1:1 (since Tor clients cannot accept incoming connections, unless
on a .onion HS).
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 01:27 +0100, Lunar wrote:
Nelson:
Please excuse my ignorance operating Tor relays, but if I run an exit
node on Windows 7 and use something like Peerblock and correspoding
block lists of P2P sites, wouldn't this be somewhat effective in
stopping this sort of
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 20:57:54 Ted Smith wrote:
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 01:27 +0100, Lunar wrote:
Nelson:
Please excuse my ignorance operating Tor relays, but if I run an exit
node on Windows 7 and use something like Peerblock and correspoding
block lists of P2P sites, wouldn't this be
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Paritesh Boyeyoko:
On Friday 01 Nov 2013 19:36:11 krishna e bera wrote:
On the other hand, i had a reduced exit policy and still got
DMCA complaints just for the .torrent file being downloaded via
HTTP through my exit.
Let me run a couple
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Tom Ritter t...@ritter.vg wrote:
On 29 October 2013 22:53, Sanjeev Gupta gha...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, to some extent. I edited the config, as I was willing to pay for the
extra bandwidth, and enabled an Exit Relay.
I was under the impression that this was
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:43:41 +, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:
...
This is something which has always confused/annoyed me. How can a Tor node
(unless it's exposing its SOCKS interface to the whole world) be classed as
an
open proxy?
The 'open proxy' is simply a tag on the IP address; it
On Thursday 31 Oct 2013 15:34:20 Andreas Krey wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:43:41 +, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:
...
This is something which has always confused/annoyed me. How can a Tor
node
(unless it's exposing its SOCKS interface to the whole world) be classed
as an open proxy?
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 12:53:48AM +, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:
On a related note, just out of interest why was the decision taken that the
default exit policy for an out-of-the-box relay allows any exits at all?
Out of the box, relays don't allow exit at all.
A relay admin has to
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 06:12:47PM -0700, Andy Isaacson wrote:
That's correct, it takes a deliberate action on the part of the
administrator to become a relay; and another deliberate action to become
an exit relay.
Actually, that second part isn't true. Once you decide to become a relay,
the
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 09:52:41PM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 06:12:47PM -0700, Andy Isaacson wrote:
That's correct, it takes a deliberate action on the part of the
administrator to become a relay; and another deliberate action to become
an exit relay.
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Roger Dingledine:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 06:12:47PM -0700, Andy Isaacson wrote:
That's correct, it takes a deliberate action on the part of the
administrator to become a relay; and another deliberate action to
become an exit relay.
On 29 October 2013 22:53, Sanjeev Gupta gha...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, to some extent. I edited the config, as I was willing to pay for the
extra bandwidth, and enabled an Exit Relay.
I was under the impression that this was permitted.
Amazon does not like Exit Nodes running in EC2. I'm not
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On 28.10.2013 22:10, Sanjeev Gupta wrote:
Since Tor Cloud https://cloud.torproject.org/ suggests running on Amazon
EC2, I am confused.
Tor Cloud images are configured to act as bridges. You can run non
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM, I beatthebasta...@inbox.com wrote:
Is there confusion between using the special version of Tor designed to be
a bridge on Amazon's EC² which uses a limited volume of data so to stay
within the free offer for the free year Amazon offers?
Yes, to some extent.
Hi,
I am running a number of Tor relays, in my own DC and at Amazon Singapore.
I got an email from Amazon last week, for the Windows instance:
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Hello,
It's come to our attention that one of your EC2 instances may be configured
as a Tor exit node. Please note that any open proxy activity is
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