Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-17 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Colin Mahns wrote: > It looks like Kickstarter has suspended the project. Some of this thread seems a bit silly. Tor does one thing, it anonymizes your IP address. These boxes push everything through that, which is generally exactly what you want... no leaks. So g

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-17 Thread Colin Mahns
It looks like Kickstarter has suspended the project. http://www.wired.com/2014/10/kickstarter-suspends-anonabox Colin On October 15, 2014 9:47:09 AM EDT, isis wrote: >Sven Reissmann transcribed 2.4K bytes: >> Hi there, >> >> I recently read about the anonbox project [1], a small >hardware-rou

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:56:57AM -0700, Mike Perry wrote: > As a result of their claims not matching up to reality, I've been > debating writing a blog post warning about the various issues with > Anonabox I think a blog post teaching people about the issues is a fine plan. I was thinking somet

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread Mike Perry
Andrew Lewman: > Perhaps a more constructive approach is to help define what the golden > standard for a true tor router should be at > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/Torouter. There are a > bunch of open tickets and design questions which need thought, research, > and solutions

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread Derric Atzrott
> Not everywhere does this, but coming from a Wikimedia background, I tend > to Assume Good Faith [1] wherever possible. It appears that they were > aware, so in this case it wasn't warranted, but I've found that assuming > good faith tends to lead to significantly fewer disputes. Forgot the link

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread Derric Atzrott
>> Out of curiosity, has anyone reached out to the guys running the Kickstarter? > > Yes. I and others have been talking to August since last week, before > the article was published and kickstarter was launched. I see. That's unfortunate then. I'm glad someone did reach out to them though. It

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread Grace H.
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:31:44 -0400 "Derric Atzrott" wrote: > It's entirely possible that they are unaware of the lists or the > issues with their design. How is it possible for anyone planning to make a Tor router without being unaware of tor mailing lists? It looks like they were able to find P

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 10/16/2014 11:31 AM, Derric Atzrott wrote: > Out of curiosity, has anyone reached out to the guys running the Kickstarter? Yes. I and others have been talking to August since last week, before the article was published and kickstarter was launched. -- Andrew pgp 0x6B4D6475 https://www.torpro

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread Derric Atzrott
> Perhaps a more constructive approach is to help define what the golden > standard for a true tor router should be at > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/Torouter. There are a > bunch of open tickets and design questions which need thought, research, > and solutions. > > If someon

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-16 Thread I
[immured to dopey snipes] http://www.wired.com/2014/10/tiny-box-can-anonymize-everything-online/ ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Andrew Lewman
Perhaps a more constructive approach is to help define what the golden standard for a true tor router should be at https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/Torouter. There are a bunch of open tickets and design questions which need thought, research, and solutions. If someone wants to ta

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/15/2014 07:57 AM, Tom Ritter wrote: > https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2j9caq/anonabox_tor_router_box_is_false_representation This > is what lead me to pull my financial support for this: https://twitter.com/justinsteven/status/522

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 01:33:43PM -0800, I wrote: > and if they were really into TOR why aren't they discussing it on this list? because they're like two guys who threw up a under-$10k kickstarter and had it completely explode under their feet, I suspect. Succeeding far beyond your dreams at cro

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread I
and if they were really into TOR why aren't they discussing it on this list? ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Pete's iPad
I was excited about this project and signed up as a backer. Then I read http://www.reddit.com/r/anonabox/comments/2ja22g/hi_im_august_germar_a_developer_for_the_anonabox/ and have reduced my contribution amount. Yes, I really like the idea of it this small device and what it does but at the same

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Thomas White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I understand the approach of this, but it again reverts back to the problem of people believing a product will provide them reasonable protection without the responsibility of having to take measures themselves. There are stories everyday in the newspa

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Tom Ritter
I'm far from being knowledgeable about this project, but since no one else has, I'll point out some controversy around it: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2j9caq/anonabox_tor_router_box_is_false_representation -tom ___ tor-relays mailing list t

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 10/15/2014 08:00 AM, Thomas White wrote: > I am personally hoping somebody high up in the Tor Project management > will openly condemn this atrocity and hopefully Kickstarter and the > funders will withdraw their funds before a whole load of people buy > into this "security as a tool" idea. I'm

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread isis
Sven Reissmann transcribed 2.4K bytes: > Hi there, > > I recently read about the anonbox project [1], a small hardware-router, > which allows end-users to connect their whole LAN to the Tor network. > The project is on kickstarter at the moment [2]. > > Has there already been a discussion on how

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Torzilla
I have seen their website and it looks like someone is trying to sell this product though I didn't see a price tag yet. Looks dangerous. Possibly a honeypot. Thanks, Torzilla11 Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Thomas White wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Well th

Re: [tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Thomas White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well the topic has come up several times in the last day or two on IRC and generally the feeling is that it may be quite bad for the users of the product, not necessarily the Tor network however. One thing that AnonBox does do is increase Tor network

[tor-relays] Anonbox Project

2014-10-15 Thread Sven Reissmann
Hi there, I recently read about the anonbox project [1], a small hardware-router, which allows end-users to connect their whole LAN to the Tor network. The project is on kickstarter at the moment [2]. Has there already been a discussion on how this might affect the performance of the Tor network?