Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-09 Thread Virgil Griffith
> Besides, as I said, the FBI, just like any ISIS affiliate, can put > up all the exit nodes it likes, so it would be a waste of time for > them to bug other exits. A blacklist of these supposedly bugged > exits would be ridiculously useless for its incompleteness. It > wouldn't do any harm either,

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-09 Thread Marco Predicatori
Tristan wrote on 08/04/2016 19:57: > In this instance, it was local authorities, and the guy bought all-new > hardware, so I'd say this specific problem is solved. > > For future reference, how would we even find these incidents? This time it > was on the news, but if it wasn't, nobody would have

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-08 Thread Tristan
In this instance, it was local authorities, and the guy bought all-new hardware, so I'd say this specific problem is solved. For future reference, how would we even find these incidents? This time it was on the news, but if it wasn't, nobody would have known. On Apr 8, 2016 12:54 PM, "Green Dream"

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-08 Thread Green Dream
Who said Tor was against the police? The fact is, in the United States, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies have been known to plant malware, modify hardware, etc., in order to maintain persistent access to machines they wish to monitor. Whether or not you think this is valid in some cases

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-08 Thread Marco Predicatori
Green Dream wrote on 08/04/2016 01:54: > As I already said, this particular case is not so clear cut. However > letting the police poke around... I didn't realize that Tor was against the police, or vice-versa, at least in decent countries like yours or mine, so far. I don't think it's a good ide

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-07 Thread Markus Koch
Even if he is formating all the things: You can't be sure that any middle/exit/guard node is compromised. How do you know I am one of the good guys with my nodes? You can't. I could role play here and in reality be a member of the super secret society of the supreme awesome bunnies to take over the

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-07 Thread Green Dream
@ Tristan re: "What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" Please note I already said "This particular case is perhaps not so clear cut" @ Markus re: "How do you know a exit server is compromised?" You don't always know. With any skill on the attacker's part, you will NOT know. Still, sometim

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-07 Thread Tristan
The server on question was in this guy's house. He should be able to find something if it was compromised, and if not, he can easily backup his relay and wipe his hard drive. On Apr 7, 2016 6:48 PM, "Markus Koch" wrote: > The issue is: How do you know a exit server is compromised? As a CCNP > I c

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-07 Thread Markus Koch
The issue is: How do you know a exit server is compromised? As a CCNP I can configure a SPAN Port in 30 seconds and suck all the exit traffic out of it without any indication for the server owner. Even if he visit his server in the data center and no one visit their servers :/ 2016-04-08 1:42 GMT

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-07 Thread Tristan
What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" While the police could have compromised the relay, we can't assume they did just because they're the police. On Apr 7, 2016 6:42 PM, "Green Dream" wrote: > > Of course, but what would they make of it? They might have 200 > > perfectly legitimate To

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-07 Thread Green Dream
> Of course, but what would they make of it? They might have 200 > perfectly legitimate Tor nodes already, making a blacklist > absolutely useless. So we should do nothing? This logic makes little sense. The directory authorities already have blacklist capabilities, and add known malicious relays

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-07 Thread Marco Predicatori
krishna e bera wrote on 07/04/2016 04:28: > On 04/06/2016 04:29 AM, Marco Predicatori wrote: >> krishna e bera wrote on 05/04/2016 23:27: >>> On 04/05/2016 02:38 PM, grarpamp wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-06 Thread krishna e bera
On 04/06/2016 04:29 AM, Marco Predicatori wrote: > krishna e bera wrote on 05/04/2016 23:27: >> On 04/05/2016 02:38 PM, grarpamp wrote: >>> http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police >> What was the exit node's fingerprint?

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-06 Thread Greg
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 AM, grarpamp wrote: > http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police > > He/they gave passwords and let govt search (and perhaps even index, > hash, and copy, knowingly or not [1]) his (possibly th

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-06 Thread Marco Predicatori
krishna e bera wrote on 05/04/2016 23:27: > On 04/05/2016 02:38 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police > What was the exit node's fingerprint? Is there a blacklist we or > the Directory Authoriti

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-05 Thread krishna e bera
On 04/05/2016 02:38 PM, grarpamp wrote: > http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police > > He/they gave passwords and let govt search (and perhaps even index, > hash, and copy, knowingly or not [1]) his (possibly then unencr

[tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-05 Thread grarpamp
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police He/they gave passwords and let govt search (and perhaps even index, hash, and copy, knowingly or not [1]) his (possibly then unencrypted) data. As opposed to having it confiscated

Re: [tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-04 Thread CJ Barlow
It's probably unusual but exemplifies why exit nodes should not be run from a home connection. On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 23:54 Greg wrote: > > http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police > > A Seattle exit node operator is vis

[tor-relays] NPR story: When A Dark Web Volunteer Gets Raided By The Police

2016-04-04 Thread Greg
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police A Seattle exit node operator is visited by local police over a child pornography warrant... Is this out of the ordinary or is this to be expected when running an exit from your ho