Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Mirimir
On 09/04/2018 03:19 AM, Paul Templeton wrote: > > On a satire note - > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW-OMR-iWOE > > But seriously - > https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/consultations/assistance-and-access-bill-2018 > And - >

Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 10:19:45AM +, Paul Templeton wrote: > The thing that worries me is that this bill will probably go through and it > can hoover up relay operators. That is they can force you to add/develop > tools to eavesdrop on you. > > Is there any real defense against this bill?

Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Gary
Hi, I am unfamiliar with the nuances of Australian law however I do wonder the following: On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 14:01, teor wrote: > > The law specifically allows payments by the government. > Lets speculate and say there is a relay operator who runs their relay in their spare time, and the

Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread teor
> On 4 Sep 2018, at 21:57, Gary wrote: > >> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 11:20 Paul Templeton, wrote: >> But seriously - >> https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/consultations/assistance-and-access-bill-2018 >> And - >>

Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
I live in the United States so they’d need to pass an act here for it to be enforced, which would be constitutionally challenged with every last legal measure available. Have you seen the legal shitstorm with social networks censoring conservatives, can you imagine them hearing the government is

Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Gary
Hello, On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 11:20 Paul Templeton, wrote: > But seriously - > > https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/consultations/assistance-and-access-bill-2018 > And - > > https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/national-security/five-country-ministerial-2018 > > The thing that worries me is that

Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Paul Templeton
> Before getting into a death-spiral of geek solutions to political problems: > what makes you believe that > relay operators would get classed (under a legal definition) as > "communications providers"? A communications provider is "the provision by the person of an electronic service that

Re: [tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Alec Muffett
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 11:20, Paul Templeton wrote: > > The thing that worries me is that this bill will probably go through and > it can hoover up relay operators. That is they can force you to add/develop > tools to eavesdrop on you. > Before getting into a death-spiral of geek solutions to

[tor-relays] The Assistance and Access Bill 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Paul Templeton
On a satire note - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW-OMR-iWOE But seriously - https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/consultations/assistance-and-access-bill-2018 And - https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/national-security/five-country-ministerial-2018 The thing that worries me is that this