Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-08 Thread Christian Pietsch
Hi Andreas, hi Tor relay operators, On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 10:14:08AM +0100, Andreas Krey wrote: > It's not targeting tor node operators. Neither it is trying to > make the tor project into a criminal organisation - it's the > other way round trying to get at 'bad' onion site operators > even if

Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-07 Thread niftybunny
> On 7. Mar 2019, at 10:14, Andreas Krey wrote: > > On Wed, 06 Mar 2019 21:19:23 +, niftybunny wrote: > ... >> Thats every ISP on the world. Every ISP on the world lets you connect to the >> internet. > > No, that legislation is restricted to restricted-access sites, i.e. tor onion >

Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-07 Thread Andreas Krey
On Wed, 06 Mar 2019 21:19:23 +, niftybunny wrote: ... > Thats every ISP on the world. Every ISP on the world lets you connect to the > internet. No, that legislation is restricted to restricted-access sites, i.e. tor onion services, or technially i2p as well (but nobody cares about that).

Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-06 Thread Herbert Karl Mathé
Let's be pragmatic: There's "anti-darkweb" propaganda been quite a while going on, mainly by Federal Criminal Police Office, backed up by Christian (so-called) Democrats, and the Nazi party, sure, pointing out like lots of children's lives could be saved, or saved from being abused, resp.,

Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-06 Thread niftybunny
> "Zum anderen ist die Zugänglichmachung jedes > internetbasierten Angebots, das auf die Begehung jeglicher > Straftaten gerichtet ist, gleichermaßen strafwürdig." Thats every ISP on the world. Every ISP on the world lets you connect to the internet. What they want to do is outlaw the running

Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-06 Thread Olaf Grimm
Some contradictions in the recommendations of the committee: Take a look on page 6 and 7 (in german, translation of the sentences below). "Zum anderen ist die Zugänglichmachung jedes internetbasierten Angebots, das auf die Begehung jeglicher Straftaten gerichtet ist, gleichermaßen strafwürdig."

Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-06 Thread Herbert Karl Mathé
$Tor mentioned too often, around 13 times in 17-page pdf, named specifically, and explicitly in order not to be taken seriously. What else but criminalizing? Call it pro law-and-order populism. Once more: Christian "Democrats" led government, this case of North Rhine-Westphalia. -- Herbert

Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-06 Thread niftybunny
U no it isn’t. > On 6. Mar 2019, at 15:47, Volker Mink wrote: > > News from german country NRW - > There is a gouvernment bill about criminalizing TOR! > > https://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2019/0001-0100/33-19.pdf?__blob=publicationFile=1 > > > >

[tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

2019-03-06 Thread Volker Mink
News from german country NRW - There is a gouvernment bill about criminalizing TOR! https://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2019/0001-0100/33-19.pdf?__blob=publicationFile=1   ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org