Re: [tor-talk] General remarks when using mail clients over Tor (i.e. TorBirdy)

2012-07-22 Thread Katya Titov
> Every major data harvester and private > data seller does that as they really really need you to confirm they > are tracking the right person. Go to other, nicer, services. Also > free. But with less mbox space. And you'll find out that's not a > problem. Yes, Yandex and Fastmail are both good i

[tor-talk] mailing list vs. f0rum

2012-07-22 Thread grarpamp
> they should create an official clear net discussion f0rum. > > "The idea is to share more with the community and give people a chance to > ask questions directly of the people doing the work." > > that is the purpose of a F0RUM, not another MAILING LIST used by the 1%. > The 1% of what set of pe

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy Not Allowing Connections to Servers

2012-07-22 Thread tagnaq
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 > Previously, I had been launching start-tor-browser from the > extracted archive and then attempting to get messages. However, > when you asked me to check connections in Vidalia, I went to the > app directory and opened it directly (I usually hide

[tor-talk] TorBirdy with TOR?

2012-07-22 Thread tor user22
Sorry, may be a newbie question, But while using ThunderBird with TorBirdy, must another instance of TOR be running?, for example BBT or Vidalia? Just dled TorBirdy 0.0.10.xpi but i should run BBT before to make TorBirdy work.does TorBirdy not work lonely? Best, ___

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy with Tor?

2012-07-22 Thread tagnaq
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 > Sorry, may be a newbie question, But while using ThunderBird with > TorBirdy, must another instance of Tor be running?, for example BBT > or Vidalia? Just dled TorBirdy 0.0.10.xpi but i should run BBT > before to make TorBirdy work.does TorBirdy no

Re: [tor-talk] TBB lags behind as Firefox ESR 10.0.6 is released

2012-07-22 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Roger Dingledine wrote (21 Jul 2012 15:54:22 GMT) : > the Tails people set up a forum, and I hear they hate it so much > that at this point they wish they had nothing rather than the one > they have. Well, not exactly, else we would just shut it down immediately :) But yeah, our current foru

Re: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi

2012-07-22 Thread intrigeri
Hi, || ΣΖΟ || wrote (21 Jul 2012 18:28:14 GMT) : > PiTails? On the Tails side, we have decided to wait a bit for the dust to settle, and for our upstreams (Linux, Debian, Debian Live) to support embedded and ARM platforms better, before we even try supporting this kind of hardware. Our efforts (

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy with Tor?

2012-07-22 Thread tor user22
Thanks a lot, Yeah document regarding this issue and also encrypting and signing the message by ThunderMail is necessary . Best On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:47 AM, tagnaq wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > > Sorry, may be a newbie question, But while using ThunderBird

Re: [tor-talk] [Tails-dev] secure and simple network time (hack)

2012-07-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
adrelanos: > Jacob Appelbaum: >> So does that mean you do or do not like DNSSEC? :) > > Can't say, I didn't dig into that deep enough. In a sense, we can compare the root ('.') to a single CA that can further delegate to other CAs such as '.se' and so on. > >> I'd like to see a normal ntp clien

Re: [tor-talk] Torbirdy and gpg --throw-keyids

2012-07-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Tim Wilde: > On 7/18/2012 6:19 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> The gpg manpage says the following: > >> Do not put the recipient key IDs into encrypted messages. This >> helps to hide the receivers of the message and is a limited >> countermeasure against traffic analysis. ([Using a little

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy 0.0.10 released - testing and feedback requested!

2012-07-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Katya Titov: > > Seconded! Thanks to all the devs! > > Understanding is the key to security, not convenience. That being said, > TorBirdy is both convenient and great. I'm not sure that's it's ready > for primetime yet, but I do try to test and feed back (using another > nym ...) and definitely s

Re: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi

2012-07-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
intrigeri: > Hi, > > || ΣΖΟ || wrote (21 Jul 2012 18:28:14 GMT) : >> PiTails? > > On the Tails side, we have decided to wait a bit for the dust to > settle, and for our upstreams (Linux, Debian, Debian Live) to support > embedded and ARM platforms better, before we even try supporting this > kind

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy Not Allowing Connections to Servers

2012-07-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Sebastian G. : > Jacob Appelbaum: >> Ethan Lee Vita: >>> Pop servers (I don't use imap) don't connect while using TorBirdy, nor >>> do SMTP servers. It just sticks at 'Connecting to >>> pop.someserver.org...', not even asking for user password. SMTP comes up >>> with Thunderbird didn't connect to S

Re: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi

2012-07-22 Thread || ΣΖΟ ||
There are RTC shields in the making. google images for "RTC raspberry" On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > intrigeri: >> Hi, >> >> || ΣΖΟ || wrote (21 Jul 2012 18:28:14 GMT) : >>> PiTails? >> >> On the Tails side, we have decided to wait a bit for the dust to >> settle,

[tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread jhanse
I want to understand the best torification tool to use, but it's really hard to learn about what each tool is and how it is different and who is responsible for which tool. Various places on torproject.org site talk about torify, usewithtor, torsocks, etc. First, this page says torsocks is ins

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread adrelanos
jha...@yandex.com: > I want to understand the best torification tool to use, but it's really hard > to learn about what each tool is and how it is different and who is > responsible for which tool. Various places on torproject.org site talk about > torify, usewithtor, torsocks, etc. Please con

[tor-talk] scaling .onion site?

2012-07-22 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
hello, if i have built some popular onion site and it reaches max of server what methods can be used to scale it? is it different than non-onion site? does anyone build hidden service site that is so popular yet? has some guide been written? -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Hansen Jay
> Please consider updating those pages (wiki can be edited by everyone) > and submitting trac tickets against the website to fix the mess. As soon as I figure it out myself! :) > Torify and tsocks are outdated. Don't bother with it. OK, but why does Tor deliver torify if that's the case? >>  Ho

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread adrelanos
Hansen Jay: >> Torify and tsocks are outdated. Don't bother with it. > > OK, but why does Tor deliver torify if that's the case? It's only kept for compatibility reasons. >>> However, the manpage for usewithtor says "usewithtor runs torsocks(1) >>> with the default configuration file, l

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Just use usewithtor. Why? I was under impression that "torify" is still the generic wrapper. Anyway, let's summarize briefly, since proliferation of related scripts is indeed confusing: packages: + tsocks: LD_PRELOAD=libtsocks.so hack for t

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread adrelanos
Maxim Kammerer: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM, adrelanos > wrote: >> Just use usewithtor. > > Why? I was under impression that "torify" is still the generic > wrapper. I read somewhere in latest torify source that it's only held for compatibility reasons. ___

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:58 AM, adrelanos wrote: > I read somewhere in latest torify source that it's only held for > compatibility reasons. Seems so: https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/blob/HEAD:/contrib/torify.in “Now, it's just a backwards compatible shim around torsocks with reasonable

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Hansen Jay
> usewithtor is a script/wrapper and easier to use. > > torsocks is the actual binary and has different features (see man torsocks). No, torsocks also has a wrapper script by the same name. And if the manpage for torsocks (the wrapper) is correct, it makes usewithtor redundant. I have no idea

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread grarpamp
Torsocks docs are woefully in need of work to match the code. And you may find yourself better off if you ignore the scripts and write your own. All you really need is: LD_PRELOAD=/.../libtorsocks.so TORSOCKS_CONF_FILE=/.../torsocks.conf TORSOCKS_DEBUG=1 "$@" local = 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 local = 12

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Hansen Jay
22.07.2012, 15:53, "grarpamp" : > Torsocks docs are woefully in need of work to match the code. And you may find > yourself better off if you ignore the scripts and write your own. All > you really need is: > > LD_PRELOAD=/.../libtorsocks.so TORSOCKS_CONF_FILE=/.../torsocks.conf > TORSOCKS_DEBUG=

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Hansen Jay
22.07.2012, 16:27, "Hansen Jay" : > 22.07.2012, 15:53, "grarpamp" : > >>  Torsocks docs are woefully in need of work to match the code. And you may >> find >>  yourself better off if you ignore the scripts and write your own. All >>  you really need is: >> >>  LD_PRELOAD=/.../libtorsocks.so TORS

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread adrelanos
Maxim Kammerer: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:58 AM, adrelanos > wrote: >> I read somewhere in latest torify source that it's only held for >> compatibility reasons. > > Seems so: > https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/blob/HEAD:/contrib/torify.in > “Now, it's just a backwards compatible shim

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Hansen Jay wrote: > Sorry, correction - man 8 torsocks (for the library not the script) mentions > TORSOCKS_CONFFFILE, but all the other manpages mention TORSOCKS_CONF_FILE # strings /usr/lib/torsocks/libtorsocks.so | grep CONF TORSOCKS_CONF_FILE Note — in my pr

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:08 AM, adrelanos wrote: > - usewithtor features get moved to torsocks "usewithtor" has no features — it just invokes "torsocks", after possibly interfering with user's TORSOCKS_CONF_FILE setting. The warning message that it prints for missing /etc/torsocks.conf is printe

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread adrelanos
Hansen Jay: > Can anyone make a layperson explanation of this issue? If I run an > application through torsocks, who exactly has to initiate the ipv6 > traffic to cause the problem? I don't think I have any apps that > use ipv6?? Just added to the wiki. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wi

[tor-talk] tails_htp: exit node can fingerprint Tails users until exit node is changed

2012-07-22 Thread adrelanos
Because Tails doesn't use stream isolation and uses tails_htp over Tor, the exit node can see "Hello, this is a Tails user!". (Who else uses tails_htp over Tor.) The problem persists until the exit node is changed. Proposed solution: use stream isolation, run tails_htp/wget over a different SocksP

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks, usewithtor, torify questions - end the confusion!

2012-07-22 Thread Hansen Jay
22.07.2012, 18:17, "adrelanos" : > Hansen Jay: > >>  Can anyone make a layperson explanation of this issue? If I run an >>  application through torsocks, who exactly has to initiate the ipv6 >>  traffic to cause the problem? I don't think I have any apps that >>  use ipv6?? > > Just added to the

Re: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi

2012-07-22 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:02:02 +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: ... > > Another interesting problem is that the Raspberry Pi doesn't have a RTC. :( Tor does a time check against other nodes. Can't we use that to obtain the time as well? I wouldn't mind running tor as root on a raspi dedicated as a to