Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com wrote: Remember, they did not raid the Tor exit node. They raided the home of the guy running the Tor exit node. Way different. I can probably explain that. We were running a Tor exit node in Slovenia (neighboring

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Mitar mmi...@gmail.com wrote: It might be that in this case of a guy from Austria he didn't know that it raid is for Tor node but he thought that it might be for something else and just later on discovered that. Or that they simply didn't listen to or

[tor-talk] Sorry, you are not using Tor

2012-12-01 Thread bao song
There is a resource for which I need to be in Aus, so I put Exitnodes {au} in my torrc using the advanced settings editor (and can't get that line OUT of  my torrc now). The ONLY exit node Tor could find was BGC. Hitting Use a New Identity kept giving me only the BGC exit node 202.189.69.158,

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Naslund, Steve
OK, I get it. I think my BS detector is set to high today. I am just really suspicious that this guy that runs an large ISP can't at least wait until there are charges before all the uproar. I think if the cops came and seized my home PCs right now I would probably give them the time to look at

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Naslund, Steve
I might be reading this the wrong way but it looked to me like the cops raided his home and the Tor server is hosted off site with an ISP. That is what is bugging me so much. The cops raided his house, not the location of the server. If they had tracked the server by its IP it would have led to

[tor-talk] tor based website

2012-12-01 Thread electricsinkh...@gmail.com
I would like to find a helping hand in giving me step by step instructions on how to build a Tor based Simple Machines Forum w/ 3D-Cart and other flattering domain building software for my vendors product description pages with pictures if the service provides a picture. my site specializes in

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Achter Lieber
- Original Message - From: Barry Shein Sent: 12/01/12 12:48 AM To: Joakim Aronius Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. On November 30, 2012 at 08:18 joa...@aronius.se (Joakim Aronius) wrote: I am all for being anonymous on

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

2012-12-01 Thread Joe Greco
OK, I get it. I think my BS detector is set to high today. I am just really suspicious that this guy that runs an large ISP can't at least wait until there are charges before all the uproar. I think if the cops came and seized my home PCs right now I would probably give them the time to

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

2012-12-01 Thread Naslund, Steve
I understand that they could look at them for many months. In the meantime, my life will go on. I don't believe there is a whole lot you can do about it. If they take too long, I will consider asking a lawyer to look into getting my stuff back but it would have to be expensive stuff to make the

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Naslund, Steve
If he is claiming that the traffic to the forum came through the Tor node, that IP would lead them to the hosting company of the Tor node. Not his residence. If they had an IP that led to his home, that would have to mean that the traffic did not come from his Tor node at the ISP. I suppose you

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread b.g. white
PROCEDURE FOR SEIZURE OF COMPUTERS AND RELATED DEVICES This search warrant covers and controls the procedure for searching: (1) electronic or computer devices, related equipment or media which has been authorized to be seized pursuant to this warrant on the basis that it is contraband or a

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

2012-12-01 Thread Maxim Kammerer
Is it possible to configure the tor-talk mailing list to discard messages not explicitly addressed to it? Like this nanog discussion. -- Maxim Kammerer Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Owen DeLong
Not only that, but the list of people who proclaimed their innocence only to be proven guilty is very long. I can't vouch for countries outside of the USA, but here at least we don't get subpoenas on a whim. They are usually part of a very long drawn-out investigation, and they usually are

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 11/30/12 5:15 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote: Well, in that case I am really worried that the cops might charge me with a crime. They took my computers and are looking at them. I did not do anything wrong but just in case they decide to charge me with a crime, please send me some money. As

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

2012-12-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 02:37:30PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: Is it possible to configure the tor-talk mailing list to discard messages not explicitly addressed to it? Like this nanog discussion. I was chewed out for losing the threading info when I forwarded, now Maxim dislikes bounces. You

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread bvvq
On 1/12/2012 10:49 AM, Naslund, Steve wrote: If he is claiming that the traffic to the forum came through the Tor node, that IP would lead them to the hosting company of the Tor node. Not his residence. If they had an IP that led to his home, that would have to mean that the traffic did not

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

2012-12-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 04:20:38PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: I was chewed out for losing the threading info when I forwarded, now Maxim dislikes bounces. You just can't make it right for some people. Well, to be sure,

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Michael Gersten
As much as I'm not sure I want to add to this, and while I recognize that this is not the USA, do recall that in my own country of the USA, where the right to justice is explicit in the constitution, it is routinely ignored by judges who say that they run courts of law, not of justice. I'll

Re: [tor-talk] tor based website

2012-12-01 Thread David Carlson
On 12/1/2012 5:08 AM, electricsinkh...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to find a helping hand in giving me step by step instructions on how to build a Tor based Simple Machines Forum w/ 3D-Cart and other flattering domain building software for my vendors product description pages with

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
The BBC has an article about a similar issue on a Tor exit node in Austria: Austrian police raid privacy network over child porn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20554788 ## Austrian police have seized servers that were part of a global anonymous browsing system, after images showing child

Re: [tor-talk] how tails sync the clock afer network connection ?

2012-12-01 Thread intrigeri
Hi, charlie.mail wrote (01 Dec 2012 06:07:49 GMT) : I have seen tails sync the clock with UTC just after a network connection and start browser. How does it do so. It is the ntpupdate ? Please direct questions about Tails to the Tails communication channels. Anyhow:

[tor-talk] tails suppport channels

2012-12-01 Thread k e bera
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:31:15 +0100 intrigeri intrig...@boum.org wrote: Please direct questions about Tails to the Tails communication channels. which are listed at https://tails.boum.org/support/ ___ tor-talk mailing list

Re: [tor-talk] Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-01 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: On Nov 30, 2012, at 20:25 , Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: As for the legal crap, most of what is posted is not on-topic here. There are laws legal implications which are operational, though. And even though I am not a lawyer, I need

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
Example of an actual warrant: https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/inresearchBC/EXHIBIT-A.pdf Please also keep in mind, if it's relevant, that *no warrant* is required for data that is stored by a third-party. Data on a server, TOR or otherwise, would by definition be data

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Jutta Zalud
The BBC has an article about a similar issue on a Tor exit node in Austria: Austrian police raid privacy network over child porn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20554788 actually it is not a similar case but the case of William W. that BBC reported. Though with some mistakes: the servers

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

2012-12-01 Thread Juan Garofalo
Sorry people...most cops want to put the right people in jail and are not trying to violate your rights. Ha ha ha. You are clueless, or worse. There are bad eggs but that is why we have judges. When I hear someone I don't know say they are innocent and the cops say they are guilty,

Re: [tor-talk] does tor browse bundle really work on UNIX, BSD, etc

2012-12-01 Thread Julian Yon
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:50:50 -0600 John Thompson j...@stolat.os2.dhs.org wrote: I haven't run TBB on BSD, but FreeBSD (and presumably other variants) have a very capable linux compatibility mode. Perhaps TBB runs in this compatibility mode? That's not actually a reasonable presumption, as

Re: [tor-talk] tor based website

2012-12-01 Thread Julian Yon
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 10:12:35 -0600 David Carlson carlson...@sbcglobal.net wrote: You will certainly catch the attention of law enforcement agencies world wide with emails like that one. Maybe he is law enforcement, looking for someone to ensnare. -- 3072D/F3A66B3A Julian Yon (2012 General

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Julian Yon
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:00:00 +0100 Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) li...@infosecurity.ch wrote: This would probably be something *very valuable* for any Tor Exit Node maintainer if Tor software would provide such kind of facility to facilitate: - understanding of a third party - drive the

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Julian Yon
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:42:45 -0600 Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: [Load of US-centred rubbish] Seriously, you need to realise that most of the world is not the States, and things work differently over here. Some parts of Europe are safer than others, and some (including UK) are

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread John Case
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort is not the answer. Also, I don't want all of my applications using Tor -- just some of them. Using Tails or

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread Softail
I wanted this too. According to the documentation (ssh_config) you can use the ProxyCommand option and nc (netcat) to accomplish this. I haven't really used it yet though or audited it to make sure it doesn't leak. On 12/1/2012 15:14, John Case wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: I

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread Ted Smith
On Sat, 2012-12-01 at 23:14 +, John Case wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort is not the answer. Also, I don't want all of my

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 12/1/2012 10:10 AM, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: If Tor servers are just glorified routers then they could be considered more as transit providers and not responsible for content transiting through them. However, if a transit service goes out of its way to hide the identity of the sender of a

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 12/1/2012 1:28 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: Please also keep in mind, if it's relevant, that *no warrant* is required for data that is stored by a third-party. Data on a server, TOR or otherwise, would by definition be data that is stored by a third party. Which means that if there

Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-01 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 12/1/2012 4:22 PM, Julian Yon wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:42:45 -0600 Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: How much is 10,000 EU anyway - $100 USD? I knew I shouldn't have written that - too many people don't get satire / comedic sarcasm. ___

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread Matthew Finkel
On 12/01/2012 06:14 PM, John Case wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort is not the answer. Also, I don't want all of my applications using