Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Griffin Boyce
Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: I must have somehow missed it. I would really appreciate a link. I cannot seem to find it on my own. Thank you in advance. Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have friends/allies/interesting frenemies run

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Seth David Schoen (sch...@eff.org): Alex M (Coyo) writes: It concerns me that you [Mike Perry] refer to we as though you contribute anything to the tor project. https://gitweb.torproject.org/ https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/en/design/index.html.en

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 01:29 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Alex M (Coyo) (c...@darkdna.net): On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: If you have a specific list of design flaws that aren't couched in long rants, we can perhaps help instruct you on how you might solve them in your redesign with Mr

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Alex M (Coyo)c...@darkdna.net wrote: I must have somehow missed it. I would really appreciate a link. I cannot seem to find it on my own. Thank you in advance. Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 13.04.2013 04:30, Alex M (Coyo) wrote: Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge relay communities that can host their own bridge directory authorities I'm working on setting up (yet) another non-profit organization with limited liability in Germany (gGmbH). Over

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread adrelanos
Alex M (Coyo): I have still not gotten a straight answer about whether or not the bridge community featureset has been released in the stable tor client. It's all in there. https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en AlternateBridgeAuthority [nickname] [flags] address:port fingerprint

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread adrelanos
Alex M (Coyo): On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Otherwise, thanks for your concern/veiled threats/trolling. Because obviously criticism and actual concern for the well-being of a foss project is always trolling and threats. I hope you aren't a contributor. See

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Griffin Boyce
Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have friends/allies/interesting frenemies run bridges using Vidalia [2], or just use a garden-variety VPN/proxy before entering the

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread adrelanos
Alex M (Coyo): On 04/12/2013 10:37 PM, adrelanos wrote: Hi Alex, these are interesting thoughts. I wrote something related a while ago. Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-August/025109.html Alex M (Coyo): Is Tor ever going to

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
I think you're right. On 04/13/2013 04:32 AM, Gregory Disney wrote: OnionCat? Anything more extreme than that is going to have be built from the ground up. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Alex M

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 10:27 AM, adrelanos wrote: Alex M (Coyo): I have still not gotten a straight answer about whether or not the bridge community featureset has been released in the stable tor client. It's all in there. https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en AlternateBridgeAuthority

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 10:29 AM, adrelanos wrote: Alex M (Coyo): On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Otherwise, thanks for your concern/veiled threats/trolling. Because obviously criticism and actual concern for the well-being of a foss project is always trolling and threats. I hope you aren't

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 10:35 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have friends/allies/interesting frenemies run bridges using Vidalia [2], or just use a

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 01:14:16PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: Sure, i2P exists, but who wants to spin up a huge honking java virtual machine just to participate in that relay pool? It's actually pretty easy and can run on modest hardware as a node. I disagree about modest hardware. Anything

[tor-talk] Family path selection

2013-04-13 Thread Sebastian G. bastik.tor
Hi, Quote from the path-specification (2.2) https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/path-spec.txt We do not choose any router in the same family as another in the same path. Made me think that if one declares family for the entire network except his/her own nodes he would see

Re: [tor-talk] ExcludeEntryNodes

2013-04-13 Thread hamahangi
#5903 and #6523. There seems to have been some fiddling with both but no comments to speak of. Thanks for clearing up the reasoning behind your decision. Also a web search for ExcludeEntryNodes brought up a preparatory commit you seem to have made earlier this year

Re: [tor-talk] ExcludeEntryNodes

2013-04-13 Thread hamahangi
Nick Mathewson: I think that's actually a false dichotomy, and an interesting one. In order to help users get security, an option needs to work in a way that they they expect. Otherwise, when they try to avoid using nodes in one way, and they wind up telling Tor to do something else

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake grarpamp (grarp...@gmail.com): It concerns me that you [Mike Perry] refer to we as though you contribute anything to the tor project. Mike does a good deal of fine work for the Tor project. And I'm happy to see the torbrowser project come in place with as part goal of working

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Gregory Disney
Let's not dread on things out of our control; IMO we should use these concerns to develop solutions then turn them into soultions that we can implement. Obviously we can't develop around assassinations nor state funded terrorism, but we can develop a solution for backdoors and information leaks.

[tor-talk] Deterministic Builds - was: Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread adrelanos
Hi Gregory! Gregory Disney: Let's not dread on things out of our control; IMO we should use these concerns to develop solutions then turn them into soultions that we can implement. Obviously we can't develop around assassinations nor state funded terrorism, but we can develop a solution for

Re: [tor-talk] Deterministic Builds - was: Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM, adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote: I assume you're the Gregory Disney who is also one builder of those Bitcoin deterministic builds? Since you're involved in Tor as well, I seems to me you could be a great help by providing some information about the Bitcoin