Re: [tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

2013-08-27 Thread mirimir
On 08/26/2013 11:08 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 05:58:22PM -0500, Missouri Anglers wrote: I downloaded and installed PirateBrowser which is a Firefox browser configured to use vidalia/tor. Not quite -- it is a bundle that includes a variety of software including

[tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Roger Dingledine
Hi folks, Check out https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html (for posterity, the longer-term link will be https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html?graph=direct-usersstart=2013-05-29end=2013-08-27country=allevents=off#direct-users ) The number of Tor clients running appears to have doubled

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:08:44 -0400 Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: Anybody know details? It's easy to speculate (Pirate Browser publicity gone overboard? People finally reading about the NSA thing? Botnet?), but some good solid facts would sure be useful. Hello, Just in these recent

Re: [tor-talk] Number of New relays and exit nodes

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
It just means people need less bandwidth but Tor has more to give. It means for example more people can use VOIP and Video Chat over Tor as less people are using Tor and there are more exit relays :-) On Aug 20, 2013 12:22 PM, Jon torance...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering with the increase of

Re: [tor-talk] Exit bridges / Tor VPN terminals

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
Basically it is a complicated way to configure Tor to be a point of entry for a VPN Server. Why not just configure PPTPD then connect to it via Tor? On Aug 23, 2013 9:35 AM, Sebastian G. lt;bastik.torgt; bastik@googlemail.com wrote: 23.08.2013 03:22, Andrew Lewman: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013

Re: [tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
It goes through a guard, middle, and exit node which does not anything about each other than the next and last hop. It is by far more secure. Its probably secure enough for anything. Even illegal speech. It should keep you safe. On Aug 27, 2013 2:46 AM, mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On

Re: [tor-talk] hardened *nix for Lenovo X60

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
I would recommend patching Debian maybe include AppArmor/SELinux/one other tool can't remember the name but starts with a Ba... On Aug 26, 2013 12:54 PM, kendrick eastes keas...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: I've managed to lay my hands

Re: [tor-talk] Orbot relays not grouped by family

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
If I'm not mistaken you need to edit all Tor node torrecs and have the servers Hash's in the lists. On Aug 26, 2013 1:14 PM, Nathan Freitas nat...@freitas.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/2013 03:37 PM, lee colleton wrote: If I run multiple relays,

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread mick
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:30:02 +0600 Roman Mamedov r...@romanrm.net allegedly wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:08:44 -0400 Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: Anybody know details? It's easy to speculate (Pirate Browser publicity gone overboard? People finally reading about the NSA thing?

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread mick
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:39:58 + mirimir miri...@riseup.net allegedly wrote: On 08/27/2013 07:08 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: Check out https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html (for posterity, the longer-term link will be

Re: [tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

2013-08-27 Thread mirimir
On 08/27/2013 11:43 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: It goes through a guard, middle, and exit node which does not anything about each other than the next and last hop. It is by far more secure. Its probably secure enough for anything. Even illegal speech. It should keep you safe. Is that a joke?

Re: [tor-talk] hardened *nix for Lenovo X60

2013-08-27 Thread Drake Wilson
Quoth Nathan Suchy theusernameiwantista...@gmail.com, on 2013-08-27 08:07:28 -0400: I would recommend patching Debian maybe include AppArmor/SELinux/one other tool can't remember the name but starts with a Ba... You might mean Bastille. --- Drake Wilson -- tor-talk mailing list -

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Jon
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Lars Noodén lars.noo...@gmail.com wrote: On 27.08.2013 17:13, lee colleton wrote: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Tor%2C%20TOR%20browser%2C%20piratebrowser%2C%20date=today%203-mcmpt=q That link seems partially broken. Google is not showing me it in

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Lars Noodén
On 27.08.2013 17:13, lee colleton wrote: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Tor%2C%20TOR%20browser%2C%20piratebrowser%2C%20date=today%203-mcmpt=q That link seems partially broken. Google is not showing me it in English even though the browser preferences are for English. Is that not

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread lee colleton
There has not been a sustained increase in search traffic for the Pirate Browser on Google. Tor and Tor browser haven't shown a spike in search, either. Could it be from users in Syria? Also note that the Google Play Store has been unblocked in Iran, allowing distribution of Orbot/Orweb in that

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread lee colleton
To answer my own question, Syria had a spike from 1000 to 4000 but that's a tiny fraction of the recent increase. Iran doubled from 4000 to 8000 which is also only a part of the increase. Is there a page listing each graph by country or overlapping them all? On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Jon

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread grarpamp
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: Check out https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html The number of Tor clients running appears to have doubled since August 19: And it's not just a fluke in the metrics data -- it appears that there really are twice as many

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Freitas
On 08/27/2013 10:13 AM, lee colleton wrote: Also note that the Google Play Store has been unblocked in Iran, allowing distribution of Orbot/Orweb in that country to phones with the Play Store app installed (partial bootstrapping problem). We also pushed out Orbot v12 to Google Play in the

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Syverson
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:24:18AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: Check out https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html The number of Tor clients running appears to have doubled since August 19: And it's not just a fluke in the

Re: [tor-talk] Etags

2013-08-27 Thread grarpamp
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Moritz Bartl mor...@torservers.net wrote: On 26.08.2013 14:16, Lars Noodén wrote: This etag trick seems to work ok even against TBB: http://lucb1e.com/rp/cookielesscookies/ Are you sure? It is by design that you can track TBB users within one session. Did

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Missouri Anglers
PirateBay is pushing the Pirate browser on their website. People are not searching for it. They are discovering it while downloading torrents. On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:13:02 -0700 lee colleton l...@colleton.net wrote: There has not been a sustained increase in search traffic for the Pirate

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread grarpamp
Anybody know details? It's easy to speculate (Pirate Browser publicity gone overboard? People finally reading about the NSA thing? Botnet?), but some good solid facts would sure be useful. Too big a double in under a week for me to believe it's natural growth based on news or some promo

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread grarpamp
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Missouri Anglers missouri.angl...@gmail.com wrote: PirateBay is pushing the Pirate browser on their website. People are not searching for it. They are discovering it while downloading torrents. Oh, seems there's a bolded link on the bottom of piratebay.sx ...

Re: [tor-talk] So what about Pirate Browser?

2013-08-27 Thread adrelanos
adrelanos: Jerzy Łogiewa: Hello! It looks that The Pirate Bay will enter secure browser market, http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-releases-pirate-browser-to-thwart-censorship-130810/ http://piratebrowser.com/ I do not understand why they do the same as TBB. Anyone know? With the

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2013 07:29 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on this. Is it known if he chose to go public, or if it was a condition of the leak being published by the Guardian? - -- The Doctor

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
On 27 Aug 2013, at 18:44, The Doctor dr...@virtadpt.net wrote: Signed PGP part On 08/26/2013 07:29 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on this. Is it known if he chose to go public, or if it was a condition of the leak being published

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
I think the more Tor Usage the better as it protects Tor and gives more people a reason to run nodes... On Aug 27, 2013 8:18 AM, mick m...@rlogin.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:39:58 + mirimir miri...@riseup.net allegedly wrote: On 08/27/2013 07:08 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote:

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread krishna e bera
On 13-08-27 02:06 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: On 27 Aug 2013, at 18:44, The Doctor dr...@virtadpt.net wrote: Signed PGP part On 08/26/2013 07:29 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on this. Is it known if he chose to go public,

Re: [tor-talk] So what about Pirate Browser?

2013-08-27 Thread Mike Perry
Andrew Lewman: On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 00:13:10 + adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote: It would be more effective if The Tor Project contacted sourceforge and complained. For the record, we have at least twice. We've now engaged lawyers. Yes. I also attempted to contact them at least

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread mirimir
On 08/27/2013 08:00 PM, Nathan Suchy wrote: I think the more Tor Usage the better as it protects Tor and gives more people a reason to run nodes... That's true. But this is putting people, possibly many people, at risk. They think that they're browsing via Tor, but they're really not, except

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread mirimir
On 08/27/2013 04:26 PM, grarpamp wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Missouri Anglers missouri.angl...@gmail.com wrote: PirateBay is pushing the Pirate browser on their website. People are not searching for it. They are discovering it while downloading torrents. Oh, seems there's a

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread mirimir
On 08/27/2013 10:40 PM, mirimir wrote: On 08/27/2013 04:26 PM, grarpamp wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Missouri Anglers missouri.angl...@gmail.com wrote: PirateBay is pushing the Pirate browser on their website. People are not searching for it. They are discovering it while

[tor-talk] Default clients to be non-exit relay LibTech x

2013-08-27 Thread Percy Alpha
There're few problems with ISP when running non-exit relay. Users in moderately censored areas can act as non-exit relay without causing problem to the circuit. So why doesn't Tor default to non-exit relay? Users with problems(e.g crappy hardware, ISP fireware) can manually change it to client

Re: [tor-talk] Default clients to be non-exit relay LibTech x

2013-08-27 Thread Griffin Boyce
On 08/27/2013 07:29 PM, Percy Alpha wrote: There're few problems with ISP when running non-exit relay. Users in moderately censored areas can act as non-exit relay without causing problem to the circuit. So why doesn't Tor default to non-exit relay? Users with problems(e.g crappy hardware,

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
The Pirate Browser does not use Tor. Anyone who did any reading would realize this. I feel that the more usage of Tor the better. The Pirate Browser needs to have some warning on extraction... On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:53 PM, mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 08/27/2013 10:40 PM, mirimir

Re: [tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
Even if you used traffic correlation you could not prove that it was their traffic... On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.comwrote: On 08/27/2013 04:02 PM, Nathan Suchy wrote: Not a joke. I thought we were talking about TBB. Tor secures all traffic you send

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
Yes. Edward Snowden did a good job and probably had smart tactics for securing his Internet traffic before meeting with them. It being a condition may have been the case but even then he is already public so what we need to focus on is that. If he really needed security he should of used TorMail

Re: [tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

2013-08-27 Thread Griffin Boyce
On 08/27/2013 08:37 PM, Nathan Suchy wrote: Even if you used traffic correlation you could not prove that it was their traffic... Unfortunately, that's not *really* true. Assuming that there's one tiny data point tying you to a given VPN, it would be hard to prove that you were the one

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread mirimir
On 08/28/2013 12:35 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: The Pirate Browser does not use Tor. Anyone who did any reading would realize this. I feel that the more usage of Tor the better. The Pirate Browser needs to have some warning on extraction... It doesn't use Tor at all? For anything? Their FAQ now

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-08-27 Thread lee colleton
I've started the Pirate Browser and it does start Tor through Vidalia. The browser component doesn't make an effort to anonymize the user, as I understand it. On Aug 27, 2013 6:56 PM, mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 08/28/2013 12:35 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: The Pirate Browser does not use

Re: [tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
again id say check my laptop any files? On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.comwrote: On 08/27/2013 08:37 PM, Nathan Suchy wrote: Even if you used traffic correlation you could not prove that it was their traffic... Unfortunately, that's not *really*

Re: [tor-talk] Default clients to be non-exit relay LibTech x

2013-08-27 Thread Percy Alpha
Theoretically, the directory authority could serve up a set of a thousand random nodes, and then the client software could select a random set to use initially. This will make blocking tor nearly impossible and eliminate the need for Bridge node since authority will have a hard time keeping

Re: [tor-talk] Default clients to be non-exit relay LibTech x

2013-08-27 Thread Percy Alpha
This is the response I'm trying to address. Requiring every Tor user... Enforcing the relay will indeed cause trouble but default it will have much less negative effect much almost all benefit. However, many Tor users cannot be good relays — for example, some Tor clients operate from behind

Re: [tor-talk] Default clients to be non-exit relay LibTech x

2013-08-27 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:29:48 -0700 Percy Alpha percyal...@gmail.com wrote: There're few problems with ISP when running non-exit relay. Users in moderately censored areas can act as non-exit relay without causing problem to the circuit. So why doesn't Tor default to non-exit relay? Users with