Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread I
Just imagine what anyone from Scandinavia or Europe might interpret it as rather than just North Americans who have predilection for dramatic language. Do you really have to excite yourself? > > I think the obvious terms were being used - Freenet was an application > for example. > > "private"

Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: [tor-relays] Ops request: Deploy OpenVPN terminators

2014-05-14 Thread Mirimir
On 05/14/2014 09:07 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> -- -- >> world > >> That "ovpn" part on the left is easily detected by any party in the >> middle doing > > No. Understand the diagram. It is not detectable by anyone > between torcli and to

[tor-talk] Fwd: Fwd: [tor-relays] Ops request: Deploy OpenVPN terminators

2014-05-14 Thread grarpamp
to list, not me. -- Forwarded message -- From: Mirimir Date: Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: [tor-relays] Ops request: Deploy OpenVPN terminators On 05/14/2014 09:07 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> --

Re: [tor-talk] Upcoming stable release: 0.2.4.22. Please test?

2014-05-14 Thread grarpamp
Tried it on FreeBSD 8, 'works for me' so far. If there's something in particular needing excercised bug the list. And if any of those horribly old platform patches I suggested are getting in the way, feel free to not carry them. Here is the current 'unclean' output here, some of which may be local

[tor-talk] Fwd: [tor-relays] Ops request: Deploy OpenVPN terminators

2014-05-14 Thread grarpamp
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > They do not care about solely Tor, that is just one of many many things > they block to restrict the majority of people from accessing 'free' > (ahem) content. I've said multiple times this does not concern gfw or bootstrapping access to t

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread I
If the poor image was caused by dramatic and sensational language appealing to imagination then cool factual language would avoid that. ? private sites ? ? private net ? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproje

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/15/14, I wrote: > If the poor image was caused by dramatic and sensational language appealing > to imagination then cool factual language would avoid that. > ? private sites ? > ? private net ? I think the obvious terms were being used - Freenet was an application for example. "private" is

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/15/14, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/15/14, Patrick Schleizer wrote: >> Zenaan Harkness: >>> -> Illuminet >>> -> so we are the Illuminetti ? :) >> >> Please not. Iluminati is another negatively perceived term surrounded by >> conspiracy theories. > > Thus the smiley :) > > I guess there ar

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/15/14, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > Zenaan Harkness: >> -> Illuminet >> -> so we are the Illuminetti ? :) > > Please not. Iluminati is another negatively perceived term surrounded by > conspiracy theories. Thus the smiley :) I guess there are others of a similar ilk: * Club of Rominet * Koo

Re: [tor-talk] Upcoming stable release: 0.2.4.22. Please test?

2014-05-14 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:55 PM, anonym wrote: > 14/05/14 21:46, Nick Mathewson wrote: >> Hi, all! >> >> We're going to be releasing Tor 0.2.4.22 soon. I have a candidate >> source bundle at [...] > > Unless there's a lot of unexpected problems, am I right to assume that > there's a good probabil

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Mirimir
On 05/14/2014 04:21 PM, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > Zenaan Harkness: >> On the humour front: >> >> Dark net >> -> Light net > > Better. How about "BeyondNet"? That's from _Fire Upon the Deep_ by Vernor Vinge (1991). He called it "galactic Usenet" ;) -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.to

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Zenaan Harkness: > On the humour front: > > Dark net > -> Light net Better. > -> Illuminet > -> so we are the Illuminetti ? :) Please not. Iluminati is another negatively perceived term surrounded by conspiracy theories. > On a new brand: > How about the Free Speech Network ? Okay. > The

Re: [tor-talk] Upcoming stable release: 0.2.4.22. Please test?

2014-05-14 Thread anonym
14/05/14 21:46, Nick Mathewson wrote: > Hi, all! > > We're going to be releasing Tor 0.2.4.22 soon. I have a candidate > source bundle at [...] Unless there's a lot of unexpected problems, am I right to assume that there's a good probability for 0.2.4.22 to be released before 8th of June (the da

[tor-talk] Torsocks 2.x status report

2014-05-14 Thread David Goulet
Hi everyone! Took me a while to do it but there it is! For those not following torsocks development, this is a status report of the project. As of April 4th 2014, the release candidate 7 was released. With that release, the main code is now on torproject.org which is now the official upstream of

[tor-talk] Upcoming stable release: 0.2.4.22. Please test?

2014-05-14 Thread Nick Mathewson
Hi, all! We're going to be releasing Tor 0.2.4.22 soon. I have a candidate source bundle at http://www.wangafu.net/~nickm/volatile/tor-0.2.4.22.tar.gz This is not the final Tor 0.2.4.22 release. It is a testing bundle that I made today. I'm not planning to add any more code to it, though, u

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread J.M. Porup
On Wed, May 14, 2014, at 13:27, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/15/14, J.M. Porup wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2014, at 11:53, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > >> Nicolas Vigier: > >> > It's a little sad that so many people like to use the word "DarkWeb" > >> > to talk about .onion websites, because it soun

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/15/14, J.M. Porup wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2014, at 11:53, Patrick Schleizer wrote: >> Nicolas Vigier: >> > It's a little sad that so many people like to use the word "DarkWeb" >> > to talk about .onion websites, because it sounds like something scary >> > or bad. >> >> Agreed. The word "dark

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:00:49PM -0300, J.M. Porup wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2014, at 11:53, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > > Nicolas Vigier: > > > It's a little sad that so many people like to use the word "DarkWeb" > > > to talk about .onion websites, because it sounds like something scary > > > or

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Drake Wilson
On 14/05/14 10:19, Mike Cardwell wrote: > The ideal solution IMO would be a generic web standard which allows us to > advertise the existence of alternative domains which can be used to reach > the same content. For HTML resources, the obvious thing to use would be link relations[1,2] (using the

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread anonazombie
Thanks Patrick for the link! I have been needing something like this and didn't even know it existed. I plan to look into this utility and respond back with results if anyone is interested. On 05/14/2014 09:53 AM, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > Nicolas Vigier: >> On Tue, 13 May 2014, Patrick Schleizer

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Mike Cardwell
* on the Wed, May 14, 2014 at 08:08:45AM -0400, Michael Wolf wrote: >> I would prefer it if the people who run websites with hidden service >> alternatives would simply check if the client IP is a Tor exit node, >> and then advertise the availability of the hidden service to such >> users inside t

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread J.M. Porup
On Wed, May 14, 2014, at 11:53, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > Nicolas Vigier: > > It's a little sad that so many people like to use the word "DarkWeb" > > to talk about .onion websites, because it sounds like something scary > > or bad. > > Agreed. The word "dark" is already a negatively perceived wo

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Nicolas Vigier: > On Tue, 13 May 2014, Patrick Schleizer wrote: >> darkweb-everywhere >> >> "HTTPS Everywhere rulesets for hidden services and eepsites." >> >> https://github.com/chris-barry/darkweb-everywhere >> >> Just sharing it, because I thought it's an interesting follow up to >> our previous

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Michael Wolf: > On 5/14/2014 4:23 AM, Mike Cardwell wrote: >> * on the Tue, May 13, 2014 at 08:51:28PM -0400, Michael Wolf wrote: >>> I had an idea recently that might be an improvement (or might not?) on >>> the darkweb-everywhere concept. What if we introduced an HTTP header >>> similar to HSTS

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Mike Cardwell: > * on the Tue, May 13, 2014 at 08:51:28PM -0400, Michael Wolf wrote: > >>> darkweb-everywhere >>> >>> "HTTPS Everywhere rulesets for hidden services and eepsites." >>> >>> https://github.com/chris-barry/darkweb-everywhere >>> >> >> I had an idea recently that might be an improvemen

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Michael Wolf: >> And vice versa, should .onion addresses send a HTTP header >> > `X-Clearnet-Address`? > I don't see any advantage to doing this. When the .clearnet domain authenticates/advertises the .onion domain, I think also the .onion domain should authenticate/advertise the .clearnet domain.

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Michael Wolf
On 5/14/2014 4:23 AM, Mike Cardwell wrote: > * on the Tue, May 13, 2014 at 08:51:28PM -0400, Michael Wolf wrote: >> I had an idea recently that might be an improvement (or might not?) on >> the darkweb-everywhere concept. What if we introduced an HTTP header >> similar to HSTS -- `X-Onion-Address`

[tor-talk] Tor Weekly News — May 14th, 2014

2014-05-14 Thread Lunar
Tor Weekly News May 14th, 2014 Welcome to the nineteenth issue of Tor Weekly News in 2014, the weekly newslett

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Michael Wolf
On 5/13/2014 9:32 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 05/13/2014 06:51 PM, Michael Wolf wrote: >> I had an idea recently that might be an improvement (or might not?) on >> the darkweb-everywhere concept. What if we introduced an HTTP header >> similar to HSTS -- `X-Onion-Address` perhaps -- which could be sen

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Michael Wolf
On 5/13/2014 9:21 PM, Asa Rossoff wrote: > On May 14, 2014 00:51 UTC, Michael Wolf wrote: >> I had an idea recently that might be an improvement (or might not?) on >> the darkweb-everywhere concept. What if we introduced an HTTP header >> similar to HSTS -- `X-Onion-Address` perhaps -- which could

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Michael Wolf
On 5/13/2014 9:10 PM, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > Sounds good! > > Should some.clearnet.domain/some/thing send > > X-Onion-Address: xxx.onion/some/thing > or > X-Onion-Address: xxx.onion > ? I think the xxx.onion is sufficient. We're simply telling the client that the site is available at anothe

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Akater
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What does “Dark Web” mean at all? It is usually defined as “web content that doesn't get indexed by search engines” but as soon as this definition is estabilished it gets silently dismissed, and Dark Web is then used to label .onion servers exclusively

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Nicolas Vigier
On Tue, 13 May 2014, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > darkweb-everywhere > > "HTTPS Everywhere rulesets for hidden services and eepsites." > > https://github.com/chris-barry/darkweb-everywhere > > Just sharing it, because I thought it's an intere

Re: [tor-talk] darkweb-everywhere - was: Using HTTPS Everywhere to redirect to .onion

2014-05-14 Thread Mike Cardwell
* on the Tue, May 13, 2014 at 08:51:28PM -0400, Michael Wolf wrote: >> darkweb-everywhere >> >> "HTTPS Everywhere rulesets for hidden services and eepsites." >> >> https://github.com/chris-barry/darkweb-everywhere >> > > I had an idea recently that might be an improvement (or might not?) on >