Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Katya Titov
Paolo Cardullo: This was an interesting discussion. I was just thinking of starting a thread on why people use the appellative 'dark' as for 'dark net'. I found it quite disturbing and offensive, also in a racialised way. [...] I strongly disagree and I suggest to drop 'dark' from TOR

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Virgil Griffith
If an expensive marketing company were trying to come up with a term to describe more anonymous networks such as .onion, even though dark net certainly fits, they would probably discourage it because of the reasons previously mentioned. I don't like deep web, and I think we can do better than

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Griffin Boyce
Seth David Schoen sch...@eff.org wrote: Virgil wrote: Turn your website into an onionsite Access the onionsite in the same way you access a website It could be technically consistent to say both hidden services and onion sites -- you could say that onion sites are web sites that are served

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Roger Dingledine wrote: I'm pretty sure by now if you say onion service people will know what you mean, so that might be another vote in its favor. onion service looks nice. Not all onion services are location hidden servers. Some use it as an alternative domain. -- tor-talk mailing list -

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Philipp Winter
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:08:49PM -0300, hellekin wrote: I use onionspace regularly, and find onion service and onion site equally attractive. Just wanted to remind you that not all onion services are websites. The term onion service could supersede hidden service and an onion site could

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Mirimir
On 11/15/2014 03:25 AM, Virgil Griffith wrote: If an expensive marketing company were trying to come up with a term to describe more anonymous networks such as .onion, even though dark net certainly fits, they would probably discourage it because of the reasons previously mentioned. I don't

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Paolo Cardullo
On 15/11/14 08:42, Katya Titov wrote: I opened a lengthy discussion about this in January: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-January/thread.html#31863 No real outcome. The name is what it is, and I think it's stuck. Katia, thanks very much for pointing to the

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread I
I like that because it is a simple and undramatic description which doesn't encourage suspicion and hyperbole. Robert On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:08:49PM -0300, hellekin wrote: I use onionspace regularly, and find onion service and onion site equally attractive. Just wanted to remind you

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread I
Good. ? tornet or torweb ? Robert -V How about ornet and/or orweb? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Jeff Burdges
On 15 Nov 2014, at 19:05, Philipp Winter p...@nymity.ch wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:08:49PM -0300, hellekin wrote: I use onionspace regularly, and find onion service and onion site equally attractive. Just wanted to remind you that not all onion services are websites. The term onion

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Mirimir
On 11/15/2014 03:48 PM, I wrote: Good. ? tornet or torweb ? Anything with tor is out, I think. Even though location hidden services are in fact part of the tor package, while Tor Browser and Tor Cloud are not. Still, using or as the prefix is more general than tor, and could apply to anything

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread I
I think the problem is you can't use plain english. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread I
Katya, and all, So why don't we use sensible, plain language and stick to it to distuingish ourselves from them? Hacker wouldn't have the currency it has if a large part of the pudgy, pizza-eating photophobes didn't perpetuate it for dramatic self-interest. Robert I think the use

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Nicolas Vigier
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Virgil Griffith wrote: If an expensive marketing company were trying to come up with a term to describe more anonymous networks such as .onion, even though dark net certainly fits, they would probably discourage it because of the reasons previously mentioned. I don't

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread Katya Titov
I wrote: Katya, and all, So why don't we use sensible, plain language and stick to it to distuingish ourselves from them? This article (German) has just been published which is quite dispassionate and factual, avoiding hype. This is the type of explanation and coverage that (I think)

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden Services vs Onion services

2014-11-15 Thread I
Robert wrote Hacker wouldn't have the currency it has if a large part of the pudgy, pizza-eating photophobes didn't perpetuate it for dramatic self-interest. Katya wrote I really don't think comments like this help the situation. Certainly. I meant to highlight that the desire for loaded