Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-31 Thread grarpamp
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Katya Titov wrote: > There are still many places, including some western first-world > democracies, where Internet access is billed by the byte/KB/MB/GB. I > live in a G20 country outside the US and pay for traffic usage. And > anyone using a mobile connection (may

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-31 Thread Katya Titov
grarpamp: > Internet access is generally provisioned and billed as... choose > the max bandwidth you want, pay for it whether you use it or not. > Therefore if you have idle capacity within your max at some moment, > you have the bandwidth to dynamically fill it with padding at no > additional cost

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-30 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > Fill is very expensive at the network layer but (almost) trivially cheap at > the link layer. The cost comes in having to think about how much data is > disclosed in the link layer framing. This is not necessarily a performance > issue

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-30 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote: >> >> That's only if you choose to attempt a padding-across-the-net >> management scope, which is also going to be hard and slow to >> manage and respond to bandwidth and other net dynamics. >> (Though this was about GPA, it's probably also vuln

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-29 Thread Ryan Carboni
> > That's only if you choose to attempt a padding-across-the-net > management scope, which is also going to be hard and slow to > manage and respond to bandwidth and other net dynamics. > (Though this was about GPA, it's probably also vulnerable to > endpoint interruption attacks that monitor your

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-29 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote: > In order to have a proper padding system, a lot more information needs to > be leaked about current bandwidth demand. That's only if you choose to attempt a padding-across-the-net management scope, which is also going to be hard and slow to m

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-29 Thread Ryan Carboni
To my knowledge, traffic is randomly assigned by clients based on consensus percentages. In order to have a proper padding system, a lot more information needs to be leaked about current bandwidth demand. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other sett

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/29/15, grarpamp wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 5/28/15, grarpamp wrote: >>> to be taken other than filling your unused capacity with fill traffic. >>> No network to date appears to be developing or using that defense. >> >> I thought that was the main

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-28 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/28/15, grarpamp wrote: >> to be taken other than filling your unused capacity with fill traffic. >> No network to date appears to be developing or using that defense. > > I thought that was the main differentiator for I2P (as compared

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/28/15, grarpamp wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker > wrote: >> Tor certainly works for some of its intended uses. If you are in a >> repressive state and want to get access to CNN or the like, Tor is your >> friend. It isn't going to prevent a police state notici

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-27 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > Tor certainly works for some of its intended uses. If you are in a > repressive state and want to get access to CNN or the like, Tor is your > friend. It isn't going to prevent a police state noticing that you might be > up to some so