Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-31 Thread grarpamp
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Katya Titov katti...@yandex.com wrote: There are still many places, including some western first-world democracies, where Internet access is billed by the byte/KB/MB/GB. I live in a G20 country outside the US and pay for traffic usage. And anyone using a mobile

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-31 Thread Katya Titov
grarpamp: Internet access is generally provisioned and billed as... choose the max bandwidth you want, pay for it whether you use it or not. Therefore if you have idle capacity within your max at some moment, you have the bandwidth to dynamically fill it with padding at no additional cost.

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-30 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Ryan Carboni rya...@gmail.com wrote: That's only if you choose to attempt a padding-across-the-net management scope, which is also going to be hard and slow to manage and respond to bandwidth and other net dynamics. (Though this was about GPA, it's probably

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-30 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker ph...@hallambaker.com wrote: Fill is very expensive at the network layer but (almost) trivially cheap at the link layer. The cost comes in having to think about how much data is disclosed in the link layer framing. This is not necessarily a

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-29 Thread Ryan Carboni
That's only if you choose to attempt a padding-across-the-net management scope, which is also going to be hard and slow to manage and respond to bandwidth and other net dynamics. (Though this was about GPA, it's probably also vulnerable to endpoint interruption attacks that monitor your

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-29 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Ryan Carboni rya...@gmail.com wrote: In order to have a proper padding system, a lot more information needs to be leaked about current bandwidth demand. That's only if you choose to attempt a padding-across-the-net management scope, which is also going to be

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-29 Thread Ryan Carboni
To my knowledge, traffic is randomly assigned by clients based on consensus percentages. In order to have a proper padding system, a lot more information needs to be leaked about current bandwidth demand. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/29/15, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 5/28/15, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: to be taken other than filling your unused capacity with fill traffic. No network to date appears to be developing or using

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/28/15, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker ph...@hallambaker.com wrote: Tor certainly works for some of its intended uses. If you are in a repressive state and want to get access to CNN or the like, Tor is your friend. It isn't going

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-28 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 5/28/15, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: to be taken other than filling your unused capacity with fill traffic. No network to date appears to be developing or using that defense. I thought that was the main

Re: [tor-talk] [Cryptography] Dark Web should really be called the Twilight Web

2015-05-27 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker ph...@hallambaker.com wrote: Tor certainly works for some of its intended uses. If you are in a repressive state and want to get access to CNN or the like, Tor is your friend. It isn't going to prevent a police state noticing that you might