Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-14 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 12:14 PM, grarpamp wrote: I mean, most overlays out there are NOT for anonymity Not for strong anonymity at least. Many are closes source windows blobs and generally weighted towards filesharing and vague vpn privacy claims. Those are definitely the ones to avoid. If you can't see

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Griffin Boyce
Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: I must have somehow missed it. I would really appreciate a link. I cannot seem to find it on my own. Thank you in advance. Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have friends/allies/interesting frenemies run

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Seth David Schoen (sch...@eff.org): Alex M (Coyo) writes: It concerns me that you [Mike Perry] refer to we as though you contribute anything to the tor project. https://gitweb.torproject.org/ https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/en/design/index.html.en

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 01:29 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Alex M (Coyo) (c...@darkdna.net): On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: If you have a specific list of design flaws that aren't couched in long rants, we can perhaps help instruct you on how you might solve them in your redesign with Mr

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Alex M (Coyo)c...@darkdna.net wrote: I must have somehow missed it. I would really appreciate a link. I cannot seem to find it on my own. Thank you in advance. Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 13.04.2013 04:30, Alex M (Coyo) wrote: Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge relay communities that can host their own bridge directory authorities I'm working on setting up (yet) another non-profit organization with limited liability in Germany (gGmbH). Over

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread adrelanos
Alex M (Coyo): I have still not gotten a straight answer about whether or not the bridge community featureset has been released in the stable tor client. It's all in there. https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en AlternateBridgeAuthority [nickname] [flags] address:port fingerprint

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread adrelanos
Alex M (Coyo): On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Otherwise, thanks for your concern/veiled threats/trolling. Because obviously criticism and actual concern for the well-being of a foss project is always trolling and threats. I hope you aren't a contributor. See

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Griffin Boyce
Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have friends/allies/interesting frenemies run bridges using Vidalia [2], or just use a garden-variety VPN/proxy before entering the

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread adrelanos
Alex M (Coyo): On 04/12/2013 10:37 PM, adrelanos wrote: Hi Alex, these are interesting thoughts. I wrote something related a while ago. Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-August/025109.html Alex M (Coyo): Is Tor ever going to

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
I think you're right. On 04/13/2013 04:32 AM, Gregory Disney wrote: OnionCat? Anything more extreme than that is going to have be built from the ground up. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Alex M

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 10:27 AM, adrelanos wrote: Alex M (Coyo): I have still not gotten a straight answer about whether or not the bridge community featureset has been released in the stable tor client. It's all in there. https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en AlternateBridgeAuthority

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 10:29 AM, adrelanos wrote: Alex M (Coyo): On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Otherwise, thanks for your concern/veiled threats/trolling. Because obviously criticism and actual concern for the well-being of a foss project is always trolling and threats. I hope you aren't

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 10:35 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: On 04/13/2013 01:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have friends/allies/interesting frenemies run bridges using Vidalia [2], or just use a

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 01:14:16PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: Sure, i2P exists, but who wants to spin up a huge honking java virtual machine just to participate in that relay pool? It's actually pretty easy and can run on modest hardware as a node. I disagree about modest hardware. Anything

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake grarpamp (grarp...@gmail.com): It concerns me that you [Mike Perry] refer to we as though you contribute anything to the tor project. Mike does a good deal of fine work for the Tor project. And I'm happy to see the torbrowser project come in place with as part goal of working

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-13 Thread Gregory Disney
Let's not dread on things out of our control; IMO we should use these concerns to develop solutions then turn them into soultions that we can implement. Obviously we can't develop around assassinations nor state funded terrorism, but we can develop a solution for backdoors and information leaks.

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Cool story bro. We're worried about these things too, I guess. I mean, if killing us all is really the best way to stop Tor, then I would submit to you that Tor is unstoppable. After all, network engineers are basically throwaway commodities to the mexican mafia:

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread adrelanos
Hi Alex, these are interesting thoughts. I wrote something related a while ago. Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-August/025109.html Alex M (Coyo): Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge relay

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge relay communities that can host their own bridge directory authorities without relying on the centralized tor directory hosted by Peter Palfrader, Jacob Appelbaum and associates?

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 10:27 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Cool story bro. I know. We're worried about these things too, I guess. I believe it. I'm in the market for a bridge, if you'll sell one to me. I mean, if killing us all is really the best way to stop Tor, then I would submit to you that Tor is

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 10:37 PM, adrelanos wrote: Hi Alex, these are interesting thoughts. I wrote something related a while ago. Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-August/025109.html Alex M (Coyo): Is Tor ever going to include support

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Gregory Disney
I'm down to help with the rebuild. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Alex M (Coyo) c...@darkdna.net wrote: On 04/12/2013 11:01 PM, adrelanos wrote: Griffin Boyce: There's really nothing keeping you from making a private bridge network. The documentation's all there. Indeed. One can

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 11:01 PM, adrelanos wrote: Griffin Boyce: There's really nothing keeping you from making a private bridge network. The documentation's all there. Indeed. One can even make its own (private) Tor network. It will require a considerable amount of learning, though. It would be

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Alex M (Coyo) (c...@darkdna.net): P.S. If you're annoyed by this flippant response, it was given because your rant is basically a long series of FAQs. There are ways to fix your concerns but they require development effort, and in fact many of them (including custom pluggable

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Otherwise, thanks for your concern/veiled threats/trolling. Because obviously criticism and actual concern for the well-being of a foss project is always trolling and threats. I hope you aren't a contributor.

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: If you have a specific list of design flaws that aren't couched in long rants, we can perhaps help instruct you on how you might solve them in your redesign with Mr Disney, or at least point you toward some tickets you two should read and follow during