[tor-talk] Confidant Mail, was re: Mailpile SMTorP

2015-05-26 Thread Mike Ingle
Confidant Mail is another next-gen mail architecture worth a look. You can access servers directly, via exit node, via hidden service, or via I2P. You can have your mail hosted on your own server, on someone else's server, or in the Distributed Hash Table. In the "server" case there is no limit

[tor-talk] Confidant Mail binaries for TAILS and MacOS

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Ingle
Confidant Mail 0.20 is available at http://www.confidantmail.org No major functional changes, but there are ready to run binaries for TAILS Live CD 1.2.3 and MacOS 10.9 Confidant Mail is an encrypted, and optionally Tor-anonymized, email system supporting large file transfers. Mike Ingle d2b

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-04 Thread Dave Warren
On 2015-02-03 21:28, Andrew Roffey wrote: Except for the few big names, most domain providers do not provide inexpensive certificates so the point is not invalid (yet). I don't think changing domain providers to bundle the cost is a reasonable solution to the high costs of certificates. HTTPS c

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-04 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/03/2015 06:25 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > The Tor Project itself has found that users often don't verify GPG > signatures on binaries (I think Mike Perry quoted some statistics > about This might provide some insight: http://arstechnica

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-04 Thread Seth
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 21:28:42 -0800, Andrew Roffey wrote: I don't suppose one could purchase a dummy domain with Namecheap and then ask them to sign a certificate for the real domain (with another provider)? I suspect not, but please correct me if I'm wrong. That's a damn fine questionp. My gu

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-04 Thread Aymeric Vitte
Just for the story about startssl, unlike Confidant Mail which should use https, I think, despite of the fact that they don't trust it, like all of us, it's still better than nothing, I have explained several time here why we could not use https to retrieve the Peersm code. There was an artifi

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-04 Thread CJ
On 04/02/15 13:19, Paul Syverson wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 06:58:28AM +0100, CJ wrote: >> >> >> On 02/04/2015 06:19 AM, Seth wrote: >>> On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 20:01:36 -0800, Andrew Roffey >>> wrote: - there is a cost of obtaining HTTPS signatures. >>> >>> Not certain if the deal is st

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 06:58:28AM +0100, CJ wrote: > > > On 02/04/2015 06:19 AM, Seth wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 20:01:36 -0800, Andrew Roffey > > wrote: > >> - there is a cost of obtaining HTTPS signatures. > > > > Not certain if the deal is still being offered, but for quite a while > >

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Mike Ingle
SSL: I get it, a lot of people think I should have SSL support on the website. I will look into it. Until then (and even after) check the sigs. Nuff said. >Back to Confidant Mail: interesting project, kind of reminds me of >BitMessage, though it seems to be more usable (by far). I looked at tho

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread CJ
On 02/04/2015 06:19 AM, Seth wrote: > On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 20:01:36 -0800, Andrew Roffey > wrote: >> - there is a cost of obtaining HTTPS signatures. > > Not certain if the deal is still being offered, but for quite a while > you could get a free TLS/SSL certificate good for one year when > reg

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Andrew Roffey
Seth: > On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 20:01:36 -0800, Andrew Roffey > wrote: >> - there is a cost of obtaining HTTPS signatures. > > Not certain if the deal is still being offered, but for quite a while > you could get a free TLS/SSL certificate good for one year when > registering or transferring a domain

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Seth
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 20:01:36 -0800, Andrew Roffey wrote: - there is a cost of obtaining HTTPS signatures. Not certain if the deal is still being offered, but for quite a while you could get a free TLS/SSL certificate good for one year when registering or transferring a domain to namechea

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Andrew Roffey
> - there is a cost of obtaining HTTPS signatures. Oops, I meant HTTPS certificates, not signatures. Andrew -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Andrew Roffey
>> Then GnuPG signatures would perhaps be more appropriate in this >> instance? > > The Tor Project itself has found that users often don't verify GPG > signatures on binaries (I think Mike Perry quoted some statistics > about how often the Tor Browser binary had been downloaded in > compariso

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Mike Ingle
That is an interesting point. Thinking this through in the game theory sense: Spooks' choice: 1: never mess with Tor downloads 2: mess with Tor downloads in rare cases of high value targets (where a selector like IP or cookie matches) 3: frequently mess with Tor downloads Effect of 1: they get

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Seth David Schoen
Mike Ingle writes: > As far as HTTPS: > The NSA has the ability to get into Amazon EC2 and mess with files > too, no doubt. And they have a variety of compromised HTTPS CA certs > they could use to MITM. If they wanted to do that they could, HTTPS > or no. If they did it on a large scale, they w

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Mike Ingle
Non-www A record is added, and should show up soon. As far as HTTPS: The NSA has the ability to get into Amazon EC2 and mess with files too, no doubt. And they have a variety of compromised HTTPS CA certs they could use to MITM. If they wanted to do that they could, HTTPS or no. If they did it

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Seth David Schoen
Andrew Roffey writes: > michael ball: > > On *Tue Feb 3, Mike Ingle wrote:* > >> I don't have HTTPS because there is nothing secret on the site, and > >> because I don't place much trust in it > > > > i may be mistaken that it is kinda stupid not to use HTTPS on a > > website with downloads, as

Re: [tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread Andrew Roffey
michael ball: > On *Tue Feb 3, Mike Ingle wrote:* >> I don't have HTTPS because there is nothing secret on the site, and >> because I don't place much trust in it > > i may be mistaken that it is kinda stupid not to use HTTPS on a > website with downloads, as documents released by Ed Snowden show

[tor-talk] "Confidant Mail"

2015-02-03 Thread michael ball
On *Tue Feb 3, Mike Ingle wrote:* >I don't have HTTPS because there is nothing secret on the site, and >because I don't place much trust in it i may be mistaken that it is kinda stupid not to use HTTPS on a website with downloads, as documents released by Ed Snowden show that the NSA has the capab

Re: [tor-talk] Confidant Mail

2015-02-03 Thread Kevin
On 2/3/2015 3:56 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 2/4/15, Mike Ingle wrote: On 2/3/2015 10:31 AM, Kevin wrote: On 2/3/2015 12:33 PM, krishna e bera wrote: On 15-02-02 09:57 PM, Mike Ingle wrote: http://www.confidantmail.org Mike Ingle d2b89e6f95e72e26e0c917d02d1847dfecfcd0c2 I am curious why

Re: [tor-talk] Confidant Mail

2015-02-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/4/15, Mike Ingle wrote: > On 2/3/2015 10:31 AM, Kevin wrote: >> On 2/3/2015 12:33 PM, krishna e bera wrote: >>> On 15-02-02 09:57 PM, Mike Ingle wrote: http://www.confidantmail.org Mike Ingle d2b89e6f95e72e26e0c917d02d1847dfecfcd0c2 >>> I am curious why someone delivering secu

Re: [tor-talk] Confidant Mail

2015-02-03 Thread Mike Ingle
On 2/3/2015 10:31 AM, Kevin wrote: On 2/3/2015 12:33 PM, krishna e bera wrote: On 15-02-02 09:57 PM, Mike Ingle wrote: http://www.confidantmail.org Mike Ingle d2b89e6f95e72e26e0c917d02d1847dfecfcd0c2 I am curious why someone delivering security and privacy software does not have HTTPS on thei