Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-09 Thread Öyvind Saether
Another way to test is for someone to use perfect opsec (wifi, tor, bitcoin, etc), and actually run a number of illegal sites and see what happens. Then consider some sites may be allowed to live even if actionable, or simply won't be taken down if there are no real world links to act on. As

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-09 Thread l.m
I didn't judge anyone. I specifically said they have the 'alleged' owner. I said good riddance to SR2 and it's ilk. Tor isn't an environment of your freedom. It only ever has the potential to be. You live in a world where your freedom is an ideal that only exists in your head. If it did exist, and

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-09 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: via public papers on locating hidden secvices [Trawling TorHS, Sniper] On the other hand, if you suspect that, and estimate that it can only succeed after timeframe, simply play shellgame and move to new HS every timeframe/2.

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-08 Thread grarpamp
A writes: GPA = Government Procurement Agreement ? Asking so I can understand your post. Global Passive Adversary, Surveillers, Wiretappers, Data Miners. To be taken in context of anonymity networks. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-08 Thread l.m
Notice, they have the 'alleged' owner/operator of SR2. Hidden services don't need to have an exploit to fall to the GPA and 5-eyes. Now they have the alleged owner/operator they need to procure his resources to complete the final stages of indictment. We'll never hear about how they did it because

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-08 Thread Sam Pizzey
On 08/11/2014 16:14, l.m wrote: How's the presence of a darknet running on Tor hidden services supposed to make me feel anyway? That's your freedom being used to poison kids and evade punishment. On the contrary, it makes me feel that my freedom is being used to provide an environment where

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-08 Thread eliaz
On 11/8/2014 1:43:29 PM, Sam Pizzey (s...@pizzey.me) wrote: On 08/11/2014 16:14, l.m wrote: How's the presence of a darknet running on Tor hidden services supposed to make me feel anyway? That's your freedom being used to poison kids and evade punishment. On the contrary, it makes

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-08 Thread Mirimir
On 11/08/2014 11:43 AM, Sam Pizzey wrote: On 08/11/2014 16:14, l.m wrote: How's the presence of a darknet running on Tor hidden services supposed to make me feel anyway? That's your freedom being used to poison kids and evade punishment. On the contrary, it makes me feel that my freedom is

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-08 Thread Juan
On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 15:15:09 -0700 Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 11/08/2014 11:43 AM, Sam Pizzey wrote: On 08/11/2014 16:14, l.m wrote: How's the presence of a darknet running on Tor hidden services supposed to make me feel anyway? That's your freedom being used to poison kids and

[tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-07 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Öyvind Saether oyvi...@everdot.org wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29950946 The BBC understands that the raid represented both a technological breakthrough - with police using new techniques to track down the physical location of dark net servers

Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool

2014-11-07 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: warrant request for Benthall and didn't see anything in that besides Benthall being stupid and the police being clever. Reread it. First they found the server, then their man, then trolled up a bunch of stuff