Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services

2014-07-03 Thread Mirimir
On 07/03/2014 04:16 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > The Doctor writes: > >> On 07/02/2014 04:18 PM, Helder Ribeiro wrote: >> >>> Apps like Pocket (http://getpocket.com/) work as a "read it later" >>> queue, downloading things for offline reading. While you're reading >>> an offline article, you ca

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services

2014-07-04 Thread Aymeric Vitte
If I understand correctly the question here is not about browsing but fetching something that you don't need immediately for offline reading and that you download with high latency using different circuits. That's easy to do, if you take Peersm again, it's easy to send several random requests

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services

2014-07-08 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/03/2014 03:16 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > That's great, but in the context of this thread I would want to > imagine a future-generation version that does a much better job of > hiding who is downloading which pages -- by high-latency mixing

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services

2014-07-09 Thread Aymeric Vitte
According to your description you intend to reconsitute the page removing eventually what can be dangerous, this is very difficult to do (assuming that you want this page to behave like a real one and not like opening something similar to offline/mypage.html from your disk and assuming that you

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services

2014-07-09 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/09/2014 01:38 AM, Aymeric Vitte wrote: > According to your description you intend to reconsitute the page > removing eventually what can be dangerous, this is very difficult > to do Likely very difficult. I never said it was a fully baked id

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service

2014-07-03 Thread str4d
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/03/2014 05:12 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> High-latency web browsing is actually a great use case and could >> benefit from the extra security. >> >> Apps like Pocket (http://getpocket.com/) work as a "read it >> later" queue, downloading things

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service

2014-07-03 Thread Aymeric Vitte
Maybe one day, something like Peersm combined with [1] in order to follow/or use [2] and [3] (don't focus on google developing this here, these concepts are the only way to really secure a web page) Basically you fetch the web page with something like Peersm, then retarget it in a sandboxed co

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service

2014-07-03 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/02/2014 04:18 PM, Helder Ribeiro wrote: > Apps like Pocket (http://getpocket.com/) work as a "read it later" > queue, downloading things for offline reading. While you're reading > an offline article, you can also follow links and click to ad

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service

2014-07-03 Thread Seth David Schoen
The Doctor writes: > On 07/02/2014 04:18 PM, Helder Ribeiro wrote: > > > Apps like Pocket (http://getpocket.com/) work as a "read it later" > > queue, downloading things for offline reading. While you're reading > > an offline article, you can also follow links and click to add them > > to your

[tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service (was: Re: ... Illegal Activity As A Metric ...))

2014-06-29 Thread Seth David Schoen
Andreas Krey writes: > On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 00:50:29 +, Tor Talker wrote: > ... > > > enough to do it securely enough. Also, hidden services are far more > > > vulnerable than Tor users, simply because they serve stuff. > ... > > What sort of vulnerabilities would you expect to see? > > Proble

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service (was: Re: ... Illegal Activity As A Metric ...))

2014-06-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I wonder if there's a way to retrofit high-latency hidden services > onto Tor -- much as Pond does, but for applications other than Pond's > messaging application. [...] > Then a question is whether users would want to use a service that

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service (was: Re: ... Illegal Activity As A Metric ...))

2014-06-30 Thread coderman
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > ... > I wonder if there's a way to retrofit high-latency hidden services > onto Tor -- much as Pond does, but for applications other than Pond's > messaging application. i know that one mechanism i have used to some limited success is fr

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service (was: Re: ... Illegal Activity As A Metric ...))

2014-07-02 Thread Helder Ribeiro
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > Then a question is whether users would want to use a service that takes, > say, several hours to act on or answer their queries (and whether the > amount of padding data required to thwart end-to-end traffic analysis > is acceptable).

Re: [tor-talk] High-latency hidden services (was: Re: Secure Hidden Service (was: Re: ... Illegal Activity As A Metric ...))

2014-07-02 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Helder Ribeiro wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: >> Then a question is whether users would want to use a service that takes, >> say, several hours to act on or answer their queries (and whether the >> amount of padding data required