Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 05:40:57PM -0400, Nathan Suchy wrote: I like that idea. We need processer companies to stop owning their products and to just let them go after we buy the product. It sucks being locked into one solution... Parallella Epiphany is soon shipping with a 85 kGate FPGA (Zynq

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-13 Thread Nathan Suchy
Hmm... Sent from my Android so do not expect a fast, long, or perfect response... On Sep 13, 2013 5:13 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 05:40:57PM -0400, Nathan Suchy wrote: I like that idea. We need processer companies to stop owning their products and to

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-12 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/09/2013 05:27 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Even coreboot helps you very little, as there is simply too much proprietary crap in a typical PC platform where you can drop undetectable (out of band) malware. For everyone who is sufficiently

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-12 Thread Nathan Suchy
I like that idea. We need processer companies to stop owning their products and to just let them go after we buy the product. It sucks being locked into one solution... On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:15 PM, The Doctor dr...@virtadpt.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-11 Thread Graham Todd
We are not concerned about the price but rather we are concerned about our freedoms to share change etc the source code to suit our needs. Furthmore some of us are very paranoid. Also why can't u make a open source bios? What are u hiding from us? Your NSA backdoor! That's a bit disingenuous to

[tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Praedor Atrebates
In light of the recent revelations of how the NSA has broken commercial software all over the place, I wonder about the security of Oracle's VirtualBox VM software used by Whonix (and other?) tor-based anonymity systems. A large portion of VirtualBox is open source but some libraries used are of

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Nathan Suchy
The only secure thing is Tor Tails booted from USB. Sent from my Android so do not expect a fast, long, or perfect response... On Sep 9, 2013 11:37 AM, adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote: Speaking as a maintainer of Whonix... Before answering this, there is some prerequisite knowledge.

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread adrelanos
Nathan Suchy: The only secure thing is Tor Tails booted from USB. Not against the threat model the original poster is concerned about. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Chris
We are not concerned about the price but rather we are concerned about our freedoms to share change etc the source code to suit our needs. Furthmore some of us are very paranoid. Rightly so. Also why can't u make a open source bios? Is that sarcasm or do you genuinely not understand the

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Nathan Suchy
Well, why don't you write your own bios? On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Chris tmail...@errtech.com wrote: We are not concerned about the price but rather we are concerned about our freedoms to share change etc the source code to suit our needs. Furthmore some of us are very paranoid.

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 05:24:31PM -0400, Nathan Suchy wrote: Well, why don't you write your own bios? Even coreboot helps you very little, as there is simply too much proprietary crap in a typical PC platform where you can drop undetectable (out of band) malware. You need completely open