Re: [tor-talk] Motivations for certificate issues for onion services

2017-08-10 Thread Alec Muffett
On 10 August 2017 at 01:51, Dave Warren wrote: > On 2017-08-09 16:53, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > Notably, it doesn't apply to certificate authorities that only issue DV >> certificates, because nobody at the time found a consensus about how to >> validate control over these domain names. >> > >

Re: [tor-talk] Motivations for certificate issues for onion services

2017-08-10 Thread Ben Tasker
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:53 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > > * Admins should be able to run their Tor onion service at a different > location than their webserver. "End to end" in onion encryption means > "Tor client to Tor client", but "end to end" in web encryption means > "Browser to Webserver

Re: [tor-talk] Motivations for certificate issues for onion services

2017-08-09 Thread Seth David Schoen
Dave Warren writes: > I don't completely understand this, since outside the Tor world it's > possible to acquire DV certificates using verification performed on > unencrypted (HTTP) channels. > > Wouldn't the same be possible for a .onion, simply requiring that the > verification service act as a

Re: [tor-talk] Motivations for certificate issues for onion services

2017-08-09 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 03:53:59PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: > There was also > a long-standard concern about cryptographic strength mismatch in the > sense that the cryptography used by onion services was weaker than the > cryptography that's now used in TLS. (I think this concern was mis

Re: [tor-talk] Motivations for certificate issues for onion services

2017-08-09 Thread Dave Warren
On 2017-08-09 16:53, Seth David Schoen wrote: Notably, it doesn't apply to certificate authorities that only issue DV certificates, because nobody at the time found a consensus about how to validate control over these domain names. I don't completely understand this, since outside the Tor wo

Re: [tor-talk] Motivations for certificate issues for onion services

2017-08-09 Thread Alec Muffett
(2) What reasons do people have for wanting certificates that cover onion names? I think I know of at least three or four reasons, but I'm interested in creating a list that's as thorough as possible. Six to start with: - not having to rewrite CMS code which assumes HTTPS, eg for secure cookies

[tor-talk] Motivations for certificate issues for onion services

2017-08-09 Thread Seth David Schoen
Hi folks, For a long time, publicly-trusted certificate authorities were not clearly permitted to issue certificates for .onion names. However, RFC 7686 and a series of three CA/Browser Forum ballots sponsored by Digicert have allowed issuance of EV certificates (where the legal identity of the c