[tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-23 Thread BM-2cUqBqHFVDHuY34ZcpL3PNgkpLUEEer8ev
I have carefully checked trac and torproject.org website for proposals, seen many interesting ones but not a single one to decentralize the Tor network from the direcotry authorities. There are many ways to accomplish this apparently, and it's the only way to guarantee full independence and anonymi

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-23 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 05:07:42PM -0800, bm-2cuqbqhfvdhuy34zcpl3pngkplueeer...@bitmessage.ch wrote: > I have carefully checked trac and torproject.org website for proposals, > seen many interesting ones but not a single one to decentralize the Tor > network from the direcotry authorities. There a

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:07 AM, wrote: > I have carefully checked trac and torproject.org website for proposals, > seen many interesting ones but not a single one to decentralize the Tor > network from the direcotry authorities. There are many ways to accomplish > this apparently, and it's the on

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-23 Thread Cari Machet
prove decentralization creates vulnerability to a larger degree than centralization On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:07 AM, > wrote: > > I have carefully checked trac and torproject.org website for proposals, > > seen many interesting ones bu

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Cari Machet wrote: > prove decentralization creates vulnerability to a larger degree than > centralization You haven't specified the decentralization mechanism. So I guess I get to pick? Okay. Instead of believing the directory authority signatures, instead you

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-23 Thread Christian Gagneraud
On 24/11/2014 4:17 p.m., Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Cari Machet wrote: prove decentralization creates vulnerability to a larger degree than centralization You haven't specified the decentralization mechanism. So I guess I get to pick? Okay. Instead of believing

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-23 Thread grarpamp
> prove decentralization creates vulnerability to a larger degree > than centralization Maybe the centralization issue should revolve around things other than such two sided math proofs should neither side win... 1) There's expectation that some TPO-like entity will blackball known bad nodes, a n

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-24 Thread Aymeric Vitte
Le 24/11/2014 04:03, Cari Machet a écrit : prove decentralization creates vulnerability to a larger degree than centralization That's what can be deducted from some papers but this is really a shortcut, like "the bittorrent network is less secure with the DHT than with trackers", funny state

Re: [tor-talk] Propsal for decentralization of the Tor network

2014-11-24 Thread Travis Biehn
Sybil, You make me so sad :( You're why we can't have nice things. Being able to 'replay' messages from a recently deceased directory nodes opens up new venues for attack. Directory servers as single points of failure, you might extrapolate that to routing servers listed in directory servers; Tor