[tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-11 Thread Helder Ribeiro
How a Popcorn Time fork could incentivize people to run thousands of new Tor relays https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8022341 Thinking about NAT traversal as Tor's killer feature lead to this discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8018213 **If torrents are P2P's killer application,

Re: [tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-11 Thread Random Tor Node Operator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/11/2014 11:12 PM, Helder Ribeiro wrote: > 4. Make the Popcorn Time fork also **be a relay by default* > whenever possible**. > > Nobody would agree to do this on the main tor software for a > thousand reasons, but it's an *app* and you can decid

Re: [tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-11 Thread Aymeric Vitte
Hi, I had a kind of same thoughts for the Peersm project at the begining, but it can not fly. The Tor network is far too small for P2P applications and you (we) are not addressing the same threat at all, so even if you expand it I don't see the rationale of doing such. Therefore, the idea

Re: [tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-11 Thread Helder Ribeiro
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Random Tor Node Operator wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/11/2014 11:12 PM, Helder Ribeiro wrote: >> 4. Make the Popcorn Time fork also **be a relay by default* >> whenever possible**. >> >> Nobody would agree to do this on the mai

Re: [tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/12/14, Helder Ribeiro wrote: > How a Popcorn Time fork could incentivize people to run thousands of > new Tor relays > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8022341 > > Thinking about NAT traversal as Tor's killer feature lead to this > discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=801821

Re: [tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Just looked at that ycombinator thread: Regarding "substantial non-infringing uses", being able to access wikipedia in particular could be the public/politically correct "thrust" of this new application: A while back this year, someone passed me there 'smart' phone from a few years ago, saying th

Re: [tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-12 Thread grarpamp
> *Abundance is an engineering problem.* > We see the proof of this in the success of Bittorrent software. Nope, sorry, Tor is a multihop network. The cost to the net is about 7 times (hops) your own usage, so you will never be able to "stream" VOB/TS in realtime, because each such home broadband

Re: [tor-talk] Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent

2014-07-12 Thread Aymeric Vitte
Le 12/07/2014 06:58, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : ## What do you say? Go for it. No, I would not advise this, whatever Helder's arguments are, this can not work, even if you get a lot of peers that expand the network you will still have the bottleneck of the Tor nodes, which are not numerous e