[tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

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Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were intercepted by customs while being mailed from Canada. — http://makehacklearn.org On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Ahmed wrote: > http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html > -- > tor-talk mailin

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> Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were > intercepted by customs while being mailed from Canada. Where did you read this? On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:29, "Al Billings" wrote: > Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were > intercepted by c

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It was one of the things clearly listed in the court filing. http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf — http://makehacklearn.org On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, jake.tar...@gmail.com wrote: >> Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when h

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Go to page 24 here, and read how was caught: http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf He was caught because of this post -> stackoverflow.com/questions/15445285/how-can-i-connect-to-a-tor-hidden-service-using-curl-in-php On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:33 PM, jake.tar...@gma

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On 10/02/2013 07:21 PM, Ahmed wrote: > http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html The FBI recently took down Freedom Hosting. Tormail used Freedom Hosting. I wonder whether the FBI found unencrypted messages on Tormail servers that led them to Ross Ulbricht. -- tor-ta

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I think they were already looking for him by name when he posted on stackoverflow. — http://makehacklearn.org On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > Go to page 24 here, and read how was caught: > http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf > He was caug

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Page 26 paragraph 38 (I think) is where it has the first indication of how they caught him. Summary: * The very first mention of the Silk Road was from a user named "altoid" on a forum * Someone else named "altoid" on the bitcoin forums advertised for developers, using

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I would assume they were digging into the origins of the Silk Road, tracking down references as you quote below. It isn't clear how they actually got his name and if they had it before customs intercepted him importing fake IDs. The paperwork claims that this was a random customs check but that

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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, jake.tar...@gmail.com wrote: > > Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were > intercepted by customs while being mailed from Canada. > > Where did you read this? > https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1nl58n/silkroad_domain_states_

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https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/85dc5cccf8c6 The charges won't stick for numerous of reasons. He will be let go. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:31 PM, kendrick eastes wrote: > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, jake.tar...@gmail.com < > jake.tar...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > Of course, part of what tipped

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On 10/02/2013 09:32 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: > https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/85dc5cccf8c6 > > The charges won't stick for numerous of reasons. He will be let go. While I appreciate the spirit of those reasons, I'm 100% certain that they'll mean nothing in the US court system. > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 a

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On 10/02/2013 07:49 PM, Al Billings wrote: > It was one of the things clearly listed in the court filing. > > > > > http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf Wow. I just read the complaint :8 He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupi

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On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:34:37AM +, mirimir wrote: > Wow. I just read the complaint :8 > > He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupid he was. > > This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network. We just put up a statement on the blog which basically says that: https://

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Guys, There are rumors that LE arrested the wrong "DPR" guy, as a security precaution. Just read it over at reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1nle25/has_anyone_considered_this/ My two cents. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:34 PM, mirimir wrote: > On 10/02/2013 07:49 PM, Al Billings

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On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 10:07:00PM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: :On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:34:37AM +, mirimir wrote: :> Wow. I just read the complaint :8 :> :> He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupid he was. :> :> This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network. : :

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 this subreddit is private the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad Silk Road On 03.10.2013 04:29, shadowOps07 wrote: >

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On 10/03/2013 03:39 AM, Martin Weinelt wrote: > this subreddit is private > > the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a > moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. > a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad > > Silk Road Answering my own question: ht

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On 10/03/2013 03:39 AM, Martin Weinelt wrote: > this subreddit is private > > the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a > moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. > a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad > > Silk Road They can have their little pr

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On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:17:08PM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: > :https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-and-silk-road-takedown > > In many ways this is (or should be) a PR win for Tor. > > 1) No technical vulnerabilities were used (AFAWK) - this should be welcome > news to Tor users > > 2) T

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mirimir: > On 10/03/2013 03:39 AM, Martin Weinelt wrote: > > > this subreddit is private > > > > the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a > > moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. > > a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad > > > > Silk Road >

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Roger Dingledine: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:34:37AM +, mirimir wrote: >> Wow. I just read the complaint :8 >> >> He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupid he >> was. >> >> This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jonathan D. Proulx: > 2) Traditional police work still works - this should be good news > to the law and order folks that traditional methods still work and > no extensive digital survailance state is needed. > > Note I'm only anecdotally familiar

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/02/2013 09:34 PM, mirimir wrote: > This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network. It serves as an object lesson about using good operational security each and every time you get on the Net. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] Develope

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No, it was a rookie fuck-up that enabled old-fashioned detective work. if it wasn't a fookie fuck-up, then none of this would have happened. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Gordon Morehouse wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Jonathan D. Proulx: > > 2) Traditional pol

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On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:26:06PM -0400, shadowOps07 wrote: :No, it was a rookie fuck-up that enabled old-fashioned detective work. if :it wasn't a fookie fuck-up, then none of this would have happened. It was human error, which is what traditional police work relies on all the time. I chuckled

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One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:26 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: > No, it was a rookie fuck-up that enabled old-fashioned detective work. if > it wasn't a fo

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Who says they arrested him as soon as he was located? I'd bet a few bitcoins that he was found as soon as the first news story on Silk Road came out. Looking at the origins of the Silk Road and finding the first announcements of it would've been the first thing the FBI did. Everything else was jus

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++ 03/10/13 13:49 -0400 - Ahmed Hassan: >One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad >server before locating him? > >They had full image of the server before his arrest. Where have you read this or deducted this from? -- Rejo Zenger . . 0x21DBEFD4 .

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If DPR has really been known since March 2011, that'd be pretty incredible. The FBI is really playing the long game. It's impossible to say at this point though. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > Who says they arrested him as soon as he was located? > > I'd bet a few bitcoins t

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2013 01:49 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate > Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the > server before his arrest. Not sure. One hypothesis (and that's all it is -

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2013 03:00 PM, Patrick wrote: > If DPR has really been known since March 2011, that'd be pretty > incredible. The FBI is really playing the long game. It's > impossible to say at this point though. How long do these sorts of investigations ty

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On 10/03/2013 05:49 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate > Silkroad server before locating him? > > They had full image of the server before his arrest. >From we know: > According to the court comp

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On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 20:58 +, mirimir wrote: > So they did have the server before they knew who he was. We also knew > that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of > that VPN provider will come out soon. I don't see evidence in your quote that implies that. The sectio

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On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 03:25:23PM -0400, The Doctor wrote: > On 10/03/2013 01:49 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > > One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate > > Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the > > server before his arrest. > > Not sure. One hypothesis

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On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:12:25AM -0700, Gordon Morehouse wrote: > Here's my one teensy thing that bothers me, this bit of speculation > from Ars Technica: > > "The Tor Project, whose software enabled the Silk Road, noticed a > significant spike in usage in late August and was unable to explain >

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On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +, mirimir wrote: > So they did have the server before they knew who he was. Careful there -- while I assume they didn't lie in their affidavit, it's quite reasonable to assume that they investigated all sorts of things, all sorts of ways, and then afterwards

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Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any jurisdiction outside of US. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +, mirimir wrote: > > So they did have the server before they knew who he was. > > Careful there -- while

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On 10/03/2013 10:54 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +, mirimir wrote: >> So they did have the server before they knew who he was. > > Careful there -- while I assume they didn't lie in their affidavit, it's > quite reasonable to assume that they investigated a

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On 10/03/2013 11:33 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: > Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any > jurisdiction outside of US. On p. 14 of UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf, there's reference to a "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty". > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Roger Dingledine wrot

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Excuse me, I meant the server host, not VPN, in my reply. -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Thursday, October 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Al Billings wrote: > Sure they do. The VPN was clearly not in the US and they used agreements to > access it (it is mentioned in the affidavit). > > -

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Sure they do. The VPN was clearly not in the US and they used agreements to access it (it is mentioned in the affidavit). -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Thursday, October 3, 2013 at 4:33 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: > Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any > j

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Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist police state just because "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" is in place. They have the MORAL obligation to disregard the treaty. US is in no position to demand obligations from other countries. Rather, MLAT is a farce. On Thu, O

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--On Thursday, October 03, 2013 6:54 PM -0400 Roger Dingledine wrote: that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of that VPN provider will come out soon. Why? So everybody can abandon that VPN and move to a different one that also responds to subpoenas but hasn't be

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On 10/04/2013 12:44 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: > Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist > police state just because "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" is in place. > They have the MORAL obligation to disregard the treaty. US is in no > position to demand obligations from o

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I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' restraints. If the NSA happens to find the location of, say, a 'c

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On 13-10-03 09:13 PM, Juan Garofalo wrote: > --On Thursday, October 03, 2013 6:54 PM -0400 Roger Dingledine > wrote: > >>> that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of >>> that VPN provider will come out soon. >> >> Why? So everybody can abandon that VPN and move to a diff

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What kind of VPN provider did he use? On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:27 PM, mirimir wrote: > On 10/04/2013 12:44 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: > > > Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist > > police state just because "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" is in place. > > They have

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On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: > > > I'm wondering if I got this right: > > The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' > issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies > on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' restraints. >

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On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +, mirimir wrote: > On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: > > I'm wondering if I got this right: > > > > The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' > > issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spi

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All government agency lies. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Juan Garofalo wrote: > > > I'm wondering if I got this right: > > The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' > issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on > everyone

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On 10/04/2013 02:21 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +, mirimir wrote: >> On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: >>> I'm wondering if I got this right: >>> >>> The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' >>> issues and can't s

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On 10/04/2013 02:22 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: > What kind of VPN provider did he use? He had a dedicated exit IP, given that it was hard coded in his site for admin access. That was also a risky move, in my opinion. He could have lost the VPN account, and the IP. Better practice is using key-based a

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On 10/04/2013 02:21 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +, mirimir wrote: >> On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: >>> I'm wondering if I got this right: >>> >>> The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' >>> issues and can't s

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--On Friday, October 04, 2013 2:11 AM + mirimir wrote: On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on

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krishna e bera: > If the FBI had to use a subpoena it means the VPN provider wasnt > cooperating, but was forced by legal means to hand over the info. > > It would be unrealistic to expect any provider in any country to destroy > subscriber info after they had received a notice from a judge orderi

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On 10/04/2013 03:50 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: > > > --On Friday, October 04, 2013 2:11 AM + mirimir > wrote: > >> On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm wondering if I got this right: >>> >>> The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' >>>

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--On Friday, October 04, 2013 3:22 AM + mirimir wrote: On 10/04/2013 02:21 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +, mirimir wrote: On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerne

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On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 03:22 +, mirimir wrote: > OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened. > > An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large > quantities > of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the details to his > employee. > Said employee had ful

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NSA Calls TOR the king of high-secure, low-latency internet anonymity http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Ted Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 03:22 +, miri

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rejo Zenger: > ++ 03/10/13 13:49 -0400 - Ahmed Hassan: >> One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate >> Silkroad server before locating him? >> >> They had full image of the server before his arrest. > > Where have you read this o

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On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:04AM -0700, Gordon Morehouse wrote: > I *think* people are mistaking VPN for VPS here - I can't find the > source, but there was some well distributed speculation that the FBI > was easily able to obtain a server image without disrupting the site > itself by having a

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Roger Dingledine: > To be more concrete, their job here is to link the guy to the > website. So if they had a pretty good idea of who the guy was, but > not enough evidence to bust him, it makes sense to me that they > would go find one of the server

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That's what I thought; if the FBI is guilty of selling the cocaine, then they got away with it? They're using DPR's employee to initiate drug exchange. 1) DPR is not a drug facilitator. He merely host the website for people to use it. 2) Host wasn't located in the US; therefore US has no jurisdic

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Juan Garofalo: > > > I'm wondering if I got this right: > > The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' > issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA > spies on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' r

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Why use VPN at all? Isnt VPN some strange problem? So strange: people keep using the VPN service, but i guess Tor does it better? -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu On Oct 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: > As for VPN, I know several VPN doesn't keep logs at all regardless if they >

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So now we know Stack Overflow works with police. -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Gordon Morehouse wrote: > "The clues didn't stop there. In early March 2012 someone created an > account on StackOverflow with the username Ross Ulbricht and the > rossulbri...@gma

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y Łogiewa" To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013, 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI Why use VPN at all? Isnt VPN some strange problem? So strange: people keep using the VPN service, but i guess Tor does it better? -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz..

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Stack Overflow, ah the code forum on the website. Ok. I see. Original Message From: "Jerzy Łogiewa" To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013, 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI So now we know Stack Overflow works with police.

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could you not use top posting? Makes things difficult to read.[1] [1] http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html Peace; Fynn. -- "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day" -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject

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Juan Garofalo: > So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with > the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the situation of either complying with the law or facing cr

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ubject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the situation

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Talk to the people who write mobile email clients. — http://makehacklearn.org On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Enrique Fynn wrote: > could you not use top posting? Makes things difficult to read.[1] > [1] http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html > Peace; > Fynn. > -- > "Even a stopped clock is ri

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--On Friday, October 04, 2013 6:41 PM + Tempest wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put

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On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: > Juan Garofalo: >> So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with >> the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? > > if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being > put into the situa

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mirimir: > On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: > >> Juan Garofalo: >>> So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with >>> the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? >> >> if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being >>

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On 10/04/2013 11:44 PM, adrelanos wrote: > mirimir: >> On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: >> >>> Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? >>> >>> if you trust a vpn, what d

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On 10/04/2013 03:01 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 03:22 +, mirimir wrote: >> OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened. >> >> An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large >> quantities >> of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the de

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Needs a 'like' button... Of course, that makes sense - if you believe them. Well, I can prove that pigs fly. I start with the premise that pigs fly and then... -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torprojec

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bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch: > Not necessarily, as long VPN provider doesn't keep logs of your > traffic. Like for instance, Phantom Peer works wonderfully since you > can use bitcoin for their service. Sorry, but no. It is easy to order a wiretap on the VPN uplinks (witho

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On 10/05/2013 12:08 PM, Lunar wrote: > bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch: >> Not necessarily, as long VPN provider doesn't keep logs of your >> traffic. Like for instance, Phantom Peer works wonderfully since you >> can use bitcoin for their service. > > Sorry, but no. > > It i

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a new connection. Original Message From: "mirimir" To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Sun, Oct 6, 2013, 02:41 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI On 10/05/2013 12:08 PM, Lunar wrote: bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

: "mirimir" > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > Sent: Sun, Oct 6, 2013, 02:41 AM > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI > On 10/05/2013 12:08 PM, Lunar wrote: > > bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch > (mailto:bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmf

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 03:19:31 +, bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch wrote: > If there is any wiretap in place to monitor VPN then it would instantly drop > the connection because encryption has been tampered with - that's the whole > design for VPN. A tap is a completely pas

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:36:20 + mirimir allegedly wrote: > > Still, if one uses nested VPN tunnels from multiple providers in > suitably chosen spheres of influence, it will be nontrivial for > adversaries to install enough taps. Going through China, for example, > would be a serious roadblock

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

On 10/06/2013 10:32 AM, mick wrote: > On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:36:20 + > mirimir allegedly wrote: >> >> Still, if one uses nested VPN tunnels from multiple providers in >> suitably chosen spheres of influence, it will be nontrivial for >> adversaries to install enough taps. Going through China,

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 01:20:36 + mirimir allegedly wrote: > On 10/06/2013 10:32 AM, mick wrote: > >> > > Forgive me, I'm not sure I understand this. Could you elaborate > > please on the nesting of the VPN tunnels with Tor? Since Tor does > > not (currently) support UDP, what architectural mode