Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-05-02 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake anonym (ano...@lavabit.com): 12/04/11 15:07, Mike Perry: If we migrate to shipping TBB, can we go on maintaining our Tails specific Firefox configuration delta as described above? Will the TBB's Firefox use the standard ways to fetch system-wide configuration? (I guess this

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-22 Thread Kraktus
On 21 April 2011 17:50, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: On 4/21/2011 1:22 PM, Kraktus wrote: Well, if I had an 8-core machine with 4+GB RAM, or even a single-core machine with over 1 GHz and at least 1GB RAM, I'd probably have four browser profiles for Firefox alone: ... However,

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-22 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 4/22/2011 6:32 AM, Kraktus wrote: If I had a nice high CPU high RAM machine, you mean? ...I'm actually using a similar browser that's close enough that it can still use Firefox 4 add-ons. Also, JonDoFox makes running multiple instances of my non-Firefox quite easy: there's a menu option for

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-22 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2011 05:50 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Why would you want to run several instances of Firefox - SIMULTANEOUSLY? When I said it was easy to install multiple versions, So the user could have a 'mundane' browser for day to day stuff and a

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-22 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:53:19 -0400 The Doctor dr...@virtadpt.net wrote: Why would you want to run several instances of Firefox - SIMULTANEOUSLY? When I said it was easy to install multiple versions, Perhaps I'm confused over the details, but I do this daily. I use TBB for my

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-21 Thread Kraktus
Well, if I had an 8-core machine with 4+GB RAM, or even a single-core machine with over 1 GHz and at least 1GB RAM, I'd probably have four browser profiles for Firefox alone: one for Tor (Torbutton or whatever you guys decide to use, plus Noscript, AdBlockPlus, Cookie Monster, etc.), one for JonDo

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-21 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 4/21/2011 1:22 PM, Kraktus wrote: Well, if I had an 8-core machine with 4+GB RAM, or even a single-core machine with over 1 GHz and at least 1GB RAM, I'd probably have four browser profiles for Firefox alone: ... However, seeing has how my computer is single core, less than 1 GHz, and has

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-17 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 12.04.2011 16:59, Milton Scritsmier wrote: After reading most of the replies to this topic, I'm not sure the average user has weighed in. [...] Thank you. This list is dominated, if not completely focused, on development and security research. The Torproject as a whole has for the last 10

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-15 Thread Erinn Clark
* Jérémy Bobbio lu...@debian.org [2011:04:14 08:29 +0200]: Here is a possible solution that quickly came to me, but I have no real clue on how much work it would need (and if every party involved would accept it): 1. Apply specific Tor patches against Firefox 4 in Debian iceweasel

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-14 Thread Jérémy Bobbio
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 04:33:08PM -0700, Mike Perry wrote: I now no longer believe even this much. I think we should completely do away with the toggle model, as well as the entire idea of Torbutton as a separate piece of user-facing software, and rely solely on the Tor Browser Bundles,

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-14 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Jérémy Bobbio (lu...@debian.org): How does that relate to Torbutton and Tor Browser Bundle? Well, as already pointed out by intrigeri, Debian has gone a great length to avoid embedded code copies in its source packages. Firefox security record is far from perfect, and I see no

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-14 Thread sigi
Hi, On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 08:29:36AM +0200, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: Last comment: we should all continue to stress out that Internet is not only made of web sites. If Internet was only about web sites, Tor would had a harder time happening: this new protocol was free to run through the

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Anders Andersson (pipat...@gmail.com): On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Mike Perry mikepe...@fscked.org wrote: (blah blah) Thus, I can only agree to 100% that this is a good idea. The only problem I can come up with at 2 AM is that maintaining a separate firefox can be a

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Jim (jimmy...@copper.net): Mike Perry wrote: So can anyone bring up any specific issues that may be caused by the change? We are collecting these issues as child tickets of this bug: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2880 As an aside, we also are collecting a

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-12 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Being relying myself on Firefox profiles / virtual machines rather than the toggle thing, I'd personally be happy to see it go away. Let me put my Tails developer hat on. Done. Let's go. Mike Perry wrote (11 Apr 2011 23:33:08 GMT) : The reason I am discussing this in so much detail here is

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-12 Thread Greg Troxel
The reason I am discussing this in so much detail here is because I believe there is a chance that there are users out there who rely on the toggle model and/or their OS Firefox build, and may be confused or enraged by the new model. I'm asking this list to get an idea of how many of

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake intrigeri (intrig...@boum.org): Mike Perry wrote (11 Apr 2011 23:33:08 GMT) : So can anyone bring up any specific issues that may be caused by the change? Context: Tails currently ships Debian's Iceweasel (Firefox renamed for trademark reasons) and Torbutton. We don't care for

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-12 Thread Milton Scritsmier
On 4/11/2011 5:33 PM, Mike Perry wrote: I think the average user is horribly confused by both the toggle model and the need to install additional software into Firefox (or conversely, the need to *also* install Tor software onto their computers after they install Torbutton). I also think that

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-11 Thread Jim
Mike Perry wrote: I think we should completely do away with the toggle model, as well as the entire idea of Torbutton as a separate piece of user-facing software, and rely solely on the Tor Browser Bundles, except perhaps with the addition of standalone Tor+Vidalia binaries for use by experts

Re: [tor-talk] To Toggle, or not to Toggle: The End of Torbutton

2011-04-11 Thread Orionjur Tor-admin
On 12.04.2011 04:11, Jim wrote: Mike Perry wrote: I think we should completely do away with the toggle model, as well as the entire idea of Torbutton as a separate piece of user-facing software, and rely solely on the Tor Browser Bundles, except perhaps with the addition of standalone