Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-18 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Moritz Bartl: > On 18.08.2013 19:51, Gordon Morehouse wrote: This isn't gonna cut it. A Tormail replacement that's any good, that's reliable, that's censorship-resistant, that's hardened ... that will require professionals to set it u

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-18 Thread ITechGeek
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Gordon Morehouse wrote: > > PGP mails, and I'm thinking about enforcing TLS. If you enforce TLS, you won't be able to send/receive email for many domains. Also REQUIRING PGP will prevent tor users from communicating w/ many people. http://arstechnica.com/securi

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-19 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 19.08.2013 05:31, ITechGeek wrote: >>> PGP mails, and I'm thinking about enforcing TLS. > If you enforce TLS, you won't be able to send/receive email for many > domains. Yes. I want to have a script that scans all incoming mail for the used cipher and in the case of a weak, non-PFS cipher, or

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-19 Thread Peter Tonoli
On 8/19/13, 5:52 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: On 19.08.2013 05:31, ITechGeek wrote: PGP mails, and I'm thinking about enforcing TLS. If you enforce TLS, you won't be able to send/receive email for many domains. Yes. I want to have a script that scans all incoming mail for the used cipher and in t

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-19 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 19.08.2013 09:58, Peter Tonoli wrote: > To what point will this be? I'd say the majority of SMTP w/ TLS servers > are using self-signed certificates. It's arguable whether TLS with a > self signed certificate is any better than just plaintext. I don't see any point in arguing about that: It is,

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-19 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 8/19/13 10:49 AM, Moritz Bartl ha scritto: > On 19.08.2013 09:58, Peter Tonoli wrote: >> To what point will this be? I'd say the majority of SMTP w/ TLS servers >> are using self-signed certificates. It's arguable whether TLS with a >> self signed certificate is any better than just plaintext. >

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-19 Thread grarpamp
> I'd say the majority of SMTP w/ TLS servers are > using self-signed certificates. Which you can then can pin-on-first-sight, just like SSH, and verify as desired, which is better than automatically trusting any CA. Mo's stance may not be all that interoperable at first, but it's interesting pol

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-26 Thread Nathan Suchy
First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on this. Second gateways compromise network security by granting outsiders internal access. Encryption is another thing but would be pretty easy. I'm not saying this is a bad project but you need to put protections in it. On Aug 19, 20

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-26 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 8/26/13 1:29 PM, Nathan Suchy ha scritto: > First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on this. > Second gateways compromise network security by granting outsiders internal > access. Encryption is another thing but would be pretty easy. I'm not > saying this is a bad project

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-26 Thread Nathan Suchy
Just don't manage or store PGP keys. That would destroy security! On Aug 26, 2013 11:35 AM, "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" wrote: > Il 8/26/13 1:29 PM, Nathan Suchy ha scritto: > > First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on this. > > Second gateways compromise network security

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2013 07:29 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: > First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on > this. Is it known if he chose to go public, or if it was a condition of the leak being published by the Guardian? - -- The Doctor [412

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
On 27 Aug 2013, at 18:44, The Doctor wrote: > Signed PGP part > On 08/26/2013 07:29 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: > > First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on > > this. > > Is it known if he chose to go public, or if it was a condition of the > leak being published by the Gu

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread krishna e bera
On 13-08-27 02:06 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: > > On 27 Aug 2013, at 18:44, The Doctor wrote: > >> Signed PGP part >> On 08/26/2013 07:29 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote: >>> First off Edward Snowden did not need anonymity. He went public on >>> this. >> >> Is it known if he chose to go public, or

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway

2013-08-27 Thread Nathan Suchy
Yes. Edward Snowden did a good job and probably had smart tactics for securing his Internet traffic before meeting with them. It being a condition may have been the case but even then he is already public so what we need to focus on is that. If he really needed security he should of used TorMail as

[tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway (was: Re: Replacement for Tormail)

2013-08-18 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 18.08.2013 19:51, Gordon Morehouse wrote: >>> This isn't gonna cut it. A Tormail replacement that's any good, >>> that's reliable, that's censorship-resistant, that's hardened ... >>> that will require professionals to set it up. I don't want to imply that we are professionals, but we will so

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Mail Gateway (was: Re: Replacement for Tormail)

2013-08-18 Thread coderman
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > > The idea is that you can email @xyz.onion.to, and the mail gateway will > forward the mail to @xyz.onion. The gateway will only accept PGP mails, sounds better than average, > and I'm thinking about enforcing TLS. this only makes se