Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-14 Thread Aymeric Vitte
Le 14/10/2014 09:55, Lunar a écrit : Jeremy Olexa: >You are abit late on the project idea:) >https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router If this needs repeating on this list: this is a bad idea. It will give people illusions instead of actual protection.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-14 Thread Lunar
Jeremy Olexa: > You are abit late on the project idea :) > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router If this needs repeating on this list: this is a bad idea. It will give people illusions instead of actual protection. The Tor Browser is already having a har

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-13 Thread I
That is a proxy rather than a relay. > Hi, > (picking random post to reply to) > > You are abit late on the project idea :) > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router > > -Jeremy -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-13 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Casey Rodarmor wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Griffin Boyce > wrote: > >> Casey Rodarmor wrote: >> >>> I just thought of an additional perk: The custom distro could >>> blacklist known-bad hardware. >>> >> >> I think this is a really bad idea overall

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Casey Rodarmor
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: > Casey Rodarmor wrote: > >> I just thought of an additional perk: The custom distro could >> blacklist known-bad hardware. >> > > I think this is a really bad idea overall, but I'd be curious to see > what this would look like in practice.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Casey Rodarmor wrote: I just thought of an additional perk: The custom distro could blacklist known-bad hardware. I think this is a really bad idea overall, but I'd be curious to see what this would look like in practice. Do you detect the (unpatched for past five years) Cisco routers on t

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Casey Rodarmor wrote: There are lots of issues with hardware projects and it costs an obscene amount of money -- not to mention the implications on security and anonymity that it would introduce. Do you think there's any way it could be done without creating said problems for security and anony

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Casey Rodarmor
I just thought of an additional perk: The custom distro could blacklist known-bad hardware. Some random linux user will probably be pretty annoyed if their computer doesn't work when they just want to do some non-sensitive task, but someone installing the Tor custom distro would probably be happy t

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Casey Rodarmor
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: > There are lots of issues with hardware projects and it costs an obscene > amount of money -- not to mention the implications on security and > anonymity that it would introduce. > Do you think there's any way it could be done without creati

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Casey Rodarmor wrote: I totally want one now. I am all for worldwide splendidness. I think a super worthy project might be to design and sell a minimum spec/size/power/price box pre-loaded with tor relay software. When I was working on Commotion [1], we had a few of these to run local applic

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Casey Rodarmor
From the listing: "A small and exquisite shape fills the workspace with beauty, while enabling you to enjoy life with speedy data and share worldwide splendidness." I totally want one now. I am all for worldwide splendidness. I think a super worthy project might be to design and sell a minimum s

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Jeff Burdges
Sent: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:32:22 + >> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App >> >> Casey Rodarmor transcribed 2.0K bytes: >>> What is the minimum bandwidth/latency that a node requires in order for >>> it >>> to

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread I
They are three good ideas. Robert > > I would hope that a multi-pronged approach would be adopted, to: > > 1. Educate users about what hardware and software they need to > productively > contribute. > > 2. Improve the network to allow users to productively contribute with > whatever resources

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Took me a second to find the tiny server I was thinking of: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119098 That plus a 2.5" HDD, plus an 8GB ram stick, will come in under $200 for a pretty awesome relay (includes integrated 2.5ghz cpu). Griffin Boyce wrote: But to answer

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Casey Rodarmor
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: > It seems really obvious not to run a relay off of an extremely low-power > computer. I'd just like to add that I don't think it is really obvious that running a relay from an extremely low-power computer is a bad idea. There are many netw

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
I wrote: Isis, Why, then, has there been discussion of the use of Raspberry Pis without mention of this? People have taken it upon themselves to run relays on raspis, but that's not exactly Tor's fault. It seems really obvious not to run a relay off of an extremely low-power computer.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread I
would give people a better chance to get started in TOR without first lurking and unscrambling jargon and cryptic comments. Rob > -Original Message- > From: i...@torproject.org > Sent: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:32:22 + > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > Subject: Re: [tor-

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Casey Rodarmor
Also, a sort of related question: Would a dedicated raspberry pi with a decent OS on a high-quality 100M/100M connection do more harm than good? Would it be able to push significant traffic with its CPU? On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Casey Rodarmor wrote: > Thank you very much for the pointer

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Casey Rodarmor
Thank you very much for the pointer to that thread, super interesting! On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:32 AM, isis wrote: > The problem is this: All clients fetch information about all the relays in > the > network from the Directory Authorities/Mirrors, and these fetches take up a > certain amount of

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread isis
Casey Rodarmor transcribed 2.0K bytes: > What is the minimum bandwidth/latency that a node requires in order for it > to benefit the network? I read here* that 100 kilobytes/s each way would be > enough, which I imagine many phones are capable of handling, and represent > a small fraction of a wifi

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-12 Thread Random Tor Node Operator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12.10.2014 02:31, bm-2cuqbqhfvdhuy34zcpl3pngkplueeer...@bitmessage.ch wrote: > Speaking of this, let's say I run a fast relay from my home > connection (2MB/s). Can I run another relay with the same id from > my mobile? Something like 2 in 1, wher

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-11 Thread BM-2cUqBqHFVDHuY34ZcpL3PNgkpLUEEer8ev
Speaking of this, let's say I run a fast relay from my home connection (2MB/s). Can I run another relay with the same id from my mobile? Something like 2 in 1, where I have the same id on both machines? Or will the network reject my second one..? > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:04:37AM +0100, 4dcb8.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-11 Thread Casey Rodarmor
Also, might there be a way for nodes to advertise their speed? Assuming that there is no incentive to lie about being slow, it might be a useful heuristic so that a node with any bandwidth can join and benefit the network. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Casey Rodarmor wrote: > What is the mini

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-11 Thread Casey Rodarmor
What is the minimum bandwidth/latency that a node requires in order for it to benefit the network? I read here* that 100 kilobytes/s each way would be enough, which I imagine many phones are capable of handling, and represent a small fraction of a wifi network's bandwidth. *https://www.torproject.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-11 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:04:37AM +0100, 4dcb8...@opayq.com wrote: > Hi, yes it's called Orbot see here > > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.torproject.android&hl=en_GB&referrer=utm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Dorbot&pcampaignid=APPU_Hbc5VJLDFMjB7AaK9oBw >

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-11 Thread 4dcb8ec3
Hi, yes it's called Orbot see here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.torproject.android&hl=en_GB&referrer=utm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Dorbot&pcampaignid=APPU_Hbc5VJLDFMjB7AaK9oBw And here's a Reddit thread on setting it up as a non exit node http://www.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-11 Thread Casey Rodarmor
Also, if such an app existed, a cool way way to raise funds for the tor project would be to accept donations of old smartphones, erase all the old data, install the relay app, and give the phones away as a donation incentive. (Of course it would include a cool phone-sized onion sticker to put on th

[tor-talk] Tor Relay Smartphone App

2014-10-11 Thread Casey Rodarmor
Hi all, Is there an app that can be used to run a tor relay on android/ios devices? I'm sure lots of people have old smart phones lying around that they don't use, and even one with modest specs would make a great tor relay node if it were plugged into power and connected to a home wifi network.