[tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-01 Thread Patrick
Hi everyone, Over the past few weeks, I've talked with a number of Tor people about how the project is portrayed in the media. As a reporter on this beat, the many legitimate criticisms the community have had strike pretty close to home for me. I don't think I need to tell this list why Tor's port

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Griffin Boyce
Hey Patrick, Most newspapers have a taste for the salacious, and the DailyDot is not exempt from that criticism. People buy drugs online (which is incredibly stupid for several reasons), but that is in no way the largest use case for hidden services. Not even close. It sells papers (and their d

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Patrick
Thanks for the suggestions Griffin (and everyone else who has emailed me), I really appreciate it! I'll be taking your advice and reaching out to the people you've mentioned. As to the complaints, since they take up a good chunk of your email: I don't take me or my employer to be exempt from any p

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread z9wahqvh
as I've asked before, I would appreciate any metrics, stats, or other data that can back up claims of this sort, as well as means by which reporters and researchers can assess them. I am thinking traffic in volume, not number of applications (not numbers of newspapers, number of drug-based sites, e

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 2014-10-01 17:40, Patrick wrote: Hi everyone, Over the past few weeks, I've talked with a number of Tor people about how the project is portrayed in the media. As a reporter on this beat, the many legitimate criticisms the community have had strike pretty close to home for me. I don't think I

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 2014-10-02 14:15, z9wahqvh wrote: as I've asked before, I would appreciate any metrics, stats, or other data that can back up claims of this sort, as well as means by which reporters and researchers can assess them. Luckily, we have DARPA working to find out these metrics and stats, see htt

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Greg Curcio
hey guys how can i communicate with mr S on here to discuss a possible movie deal in the coming years Greg Curcio On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On 2014-10-02 14:15, z9wahqvh wrote: > >> as I've asked before, I would appreciate any metrics, stats, or other data >> that

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread z9wahqvh
that's a funny dismissive response, but I think it is a very serious question, and that it is taken seriously is reflected in no place more strongly than when people on this list suggest that they know Tor is mostly used for "good" purposes and that that is (implicitly or explicitly) why they use o

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Mirimir
On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: > that's a funny dismissive response, but I think it is a very serious > question, and that it is taken seriously is reflected in no place more > strongly than when people on this list suggest that they know Tor is mostly > used for "good" purposes and that t

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread z9wahqvh
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: > > > Even if (for argument's sake) 99% of Tor users/uses were unqualifiedly > evil, that would say nothing about Tor. At most, it would speak to its > relatively slow uptake overall, and perhaps to the preva

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Ted Smith
Torizens, this is a concern troll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_% 28Internet%29#Concern_troll They have repeatedly said they "support Tor" and "want to be wrong, but..." and then spread poison. List administrators, you have dedicated significant resources towards stopping censorship, and I

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Mirimir
On 10/02/2014 04:35 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: >> >> >> Even if (for argument's sake) 99% of Tor users/uses were unqualifiedly >> evil, that would say nothing about Tor. At most, it would speak to its >> relati

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread stn
i think roger dingledine presented some short timeline evidence awhile back in a video i saw but this is from memory. a US university and the DoJ usa tallied tor traffic on their relay and only found something like 3% "unwanted" traffic. that could have included things like copyrighted music s

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread z9wahqvh
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > List administrators, you have dedicated significant resources towards > stopping censorship, and I understand that you don't want to use the > banhammer lightly, but any unkempt garden inevitably becomes a bed of > weeds, and this is something yo

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread z9wahqvh
thank you, this is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I'll see if I can find it in one of Roger's videos, though if anyone has a specific pointer that would be very much appreciated. On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:57 PM, stn wrote: > > i think roger dingledine presented some short timeline e

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread Derric Atzrott
I would be happy to stalk users of my relay for a while if anyone is willing to help me set it up. It would have to be a short time period and the logs would have to be shredded afterwards for privacy reasons, but if we want actual data, this seems to be the best way to do it. There are some stro

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread Thomas White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/10/2014 13:59, Derric Atzrott wrote: > I would be happy to stalk users of my relay for a while if anyone > is willing to help me set it up That's worrying. There are some strong ethical > questions in logging all traffic from a relay, but I can

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread z9wahqvh
well, I was going to say thank you, and I will, but I can certainly understand the issues raised below. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Thomas White wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/10/2014 13:59, Derric Atzrott wrote: > > I would be happy to stalk users of my r

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread Lunar
Derric Atzrott: > There are some strong ethical questions in logging all traffic from a > relay, but I can't see any other way to get this sort of data. The answer to the ethical question is simple: this is plain wrong. You don't spy on people. But there's also a legal aspect to it: in many juris

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread Patrick
Well, this thread went nowhere fast. Sorry guys! And thanks to people who emailed me. Cheers. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Lunar wrote: > Derric Atzrott: > > There are some strong ethical questions in logging all traffic from a > > relay, but I can't see any other way to get this sort of data

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread stn
i wish i could recall which talk it was. i've watched so many without taking notes recently as a quick study aid. sorry about that. On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:48 AM, z9wahqvh wrote: > thank you, this is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I'll see if > I can find it in one of Roger's v

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread I
Through Glenn Greenwald > hey guys how can i communicate with mr S on here to discuss a possible > movie deal in the coming years > > Greg Curcio -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-03 Thread Greg Curcio
so cool in kalifornia Greg Curcio On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM, I wrote: > Through Glenn Greenwald > > > hey guys how can i communicate with mr S on here to discuss a possible > > movie deal in the coming years > > > > Greg Curcio > > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.