Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Carlin Bingham
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, at 08:15 AM, Apple Apple wrote: > On 24 Aug 2015 19:34, "Seth" wrote: > > I'm curious if any one on the list is able to determine how many of the > above issues have already been addressed by the OpenBSD project. > > I don't want to steer the thread away from the main topic b

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > There is a great deal of positive feedback from the Debian community. > This includes offers of experimenting to provide .onions for the > mirrors, adding a grsec kernel and a number of people offering to help > package critical software that was mentioned. > > It takes ti

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Ryan Carboni
> > I'm curious if any one on the list is able to determine how many of the > above issues have already been addressed by the OpenBSD project. > I don't want to steer the thread away from the main topic but I think it is > fair to say that OpenBSD has problems too. An article titled the insecurity

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Apple Apple
On 24 Aug 2015 19:34, "Seth" wrote: > I'm curious if any one on the list is able to determine how many of the above issues have already been addressed by the OpenBSD project. I don't want to steer the thread away from the main topic but I think it is fair to say that OpenBSD has problems too. An

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Ryan Carboni
> > * Ways to verify system firmware compromise thru dumping images and > archiving them > > It's the problem of Plato's cave isn't it? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Apple Apple
Thank you for your response this pretty much answers what I was asking. Again, I apologise if these details were already covered in the talk. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinf

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Seth
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:26:58 -0700, Apple Apple wrote: It's not a Debian specific problem. Even "Security Conscious" distros like Fedora only build a dozen or so key packages with pic and ssp because of performance concerns. Address sanatizor is obviously out of the question. Then of cours

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, On 8/24/15, Apple Apple wrote: > It's not a Debian specific problem. Even "Security Conscious" distros like > Fedora only build a dozen or so key packages with pic and ssp because of > performance concerns. Address sanatizor is obviously out of the question. I think that this is where we'll

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Apple Apple
It's not a Debian specific problem. Even "Security Conscious" distros like Fedora only build a dozen or so key packages with pic and ssp because of performance concerns. Address sanatizor is obviously out of the question. Then of course Linux does not have proper ASLR without 3rd party kernel patc

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 8/24/15, Anders Andersson wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Apple Apple > wrote: >> The problem is most users and developers (including the likes of Linus) >> do >> not care at all about security but will hit the roof in rage if the >> system >> is 0.1% slower or this buggy 30 year ol

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Anders Andersson
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Apple Apple wrote: > The problem is most users and developers (including the likes of Linus) do > not care at all about security but will hit the roof in rage if the system > is 0.1% slower or this buggy 30 year old Unix application does not work > anymore. > > Is

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-24 Thread Apple Apple
I don't have the means to watch this talk right now so I apologise if my questions or comments have already been addressed. While i agree with all of your points, I can't really see many of these suggestions being taken up by Debian. Especially things like compiling packages as pie or with asan(lo

Re: [tor-talk] What's to be Done

2015-08-23 Thread bancfc
Fantastic talks by Jacob as always, he hammers home many major system hardening ideas. I summarized the points in the talks and will build on them with more ideas and information. I encourage everyone to see the DebConf talks by all means: http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debc