Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-29 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 7/28/2014 8:07 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Hey Virgil, I'd say that the issue with Tor's speed is one of inconsistency, rather than outright slowness. Give you an example: I was watching a friend set up a new laptop, and she elected to fetch drivers direct from the manufacturer's webs

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-29 Thread Mirimir
On 07/28/2014 06:37 PM, Virgil Griffith wrote: > Mirimir, I understand you're saying faster HS-HS connections would be > jolly. But I didnt understand exactly why. This is to allow coordination > between hidden services? I get that coordination between HSs is cool, but > no immediate application

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-28 Thread Virgil Griffith
The variability is def a big deal, from a UX perspective, maybe even larger one than raw speed---I can relate to the occasional Pyongyang circuits. Out of curiosity, are there stats on the average speed (error bars would be nice) over the past few years? Just curious. This would be helpful. Im

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-28 Thread Griffin Boyce
Hey Virgil, I'd say that the issue with Tor's speed is one of inconsistency, rather than outright slowness. Give you an example: I was watching a friend set up a new laptop, and she elected to fetch drivers direct from the manufacturer's website. So someone downloads a few dozen files

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-28 Thread Virgil Griffith
Mirimir, I understand you're saying faster HS-HS connections would be jolly. But I didnt understand exactly why. This is to allow coordination between hidden services? I get that coordination between HSs is cool, but no immediate application comes to mind. Can you disabuse me of my ignorance/de

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-28 Thread Andrea Shepard
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:45:33AM -0600, Mirimir wrote: > On 07/27/2014 09:24 AM, Virgil Griffith wrote: > > > > > Any others that come to mind from anyone? > > I'm very intrigued by possibilities of multiple hidden services with > fast HS-HS links via Tor. One use case would be the standard >

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-28 Thread Mirimir
On 07/27/2014 09:24 AM, Virgil Griffith wrote: > Any others that come to mind from anyone? I'm very intrigued by possibilities of multiple hidden services with fast HS-HS links via Tor. One use case would be the standard front-end/back-end website design. Another would be "smart" load-balancing

[tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-27 Thread Virgil Griffith
Thanks Sebastian G! I don't watch much Youtube, but blocked YouTube is a great example! Thank you!! Uploads is also another great use case. If porn isn't a sufficiently canon use-case, while behind Tor, I personally find it difficult to enjoy the video content on NYTimes or the Washington Post'

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-27 Thread Sebastian G.
Am 27.07.2014 um 04:14 Virgil Griffith: > I am compiling a list of use cases that Tor's current slowness makes > impossible/unpleasant. Roger once said, "Whatever you use Tor for someone > will use it for something else." > > So with this in mind I'm asking you all for things you (or others) woul

Re: [tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-27 Thread grarpamp
> * Hidden Services > Wiki and TorChan come to mind. These have always worked perfectly fine. > * Streaming video/porn -- I can imagine people in many jurisdictions Low bandwidth video from a good codec is not intolerable, and reinforces good old fashioned content is more important than needless

[tor-talk] What are use cases made unpleasant by Tor's speed?

2014-07-26 Thread Virgil Griffith
I am compiling a list of use cases that Tor's current slowness makes impossible/unpleasant. Roger once said, "Whatever you use Tor for someone will use it for something else." So with this in mind I'm asking you all for things you (or others) would like to do through Tor but slowness makes it too