Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 09:13:39PM +0100, Julian Yon wrote: > On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:26:33 +0200 > Eugen Leitl wrote: > > So, let's please not overreact and let the people who want us to be > > manipulated by universal handles succeed. Because it's just where they > > want you to be: outraged, stu

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 07:34:48PM +, Lee Whitney wrote: > Eugen do you have children? Not attacking you based on this but I'm > curious how it affects perspective. Yes, I have a kid. Doesn't change a single thing in that attitude. > In my mind it's pretty easy to drawn the line, things tha

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

Julian, thank you for speaking your mind. I am also disgusted by the term and whatever it is supposed to represent. I don't contribute to Tor, so some dude in Korea can watch youth being abused in the name of entertainment, where some see pleasure and fun, I see misery and suffering. --SiNA On O

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 07:39:41 -0700 Ted Smith wrote: > this entire conversation is vastly off-topic for this mailing list > and probably an existential threat to the Tor project, That was what I thought, but apparently that makes me pro-censorship. I admit to being successfully trolled, though. -

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

This seems similar to when Australia outlawed porn involving women with small breasts: Nobody is trying to support actual images of child abuse as far as I can tell in this thread. There are just some who think that anything th

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 07:34:48PM +, Lee Whitney wrote: > Eugen do you have children? Not attacking you based on this but I'm > curious how it affects perspective. > > In my mind it's pretty easy to drawn the line, things that have victims > should usually be illegal and things that are unpo

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

I think there is some misunderstanding. Child pornography without child means video whose character looks under-19-year-old or wears a school uniform and animation whose character looks under-19-years old. However, there are a few sexual scenes in video, the video is child pornography. Ther

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 18:22:31 -0300 Juan Garofalo wrote: > I am an 'anarchist' who joins the state's witch hunts. Makes > lots of sense. Feel free to continue creatively interpreting my words. I'll engage with it when you reëngage with reality. -- 3072D/F3A66B3A Julian Yon (2012 General

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

> >I am an anarchist and don't think that legislation is ever the “right” >solution to a problem, but as we don't yet live in an anarchy sometimes >it's the best we're going to get for now. I am an 'anarchist' who joins the state's witch hunts. Makes lots of sense. >As anarchis

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

At 09:24 PM 10/20/2012 +0100, you wrote: >On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:27:13 +0100 >Julian Yon wrote: >> I'm not quite sure what "child pornography without child" is meant to >> mean, but I don't think you're going to find much support for child >> sexual abuse (real or faked) on this or any other publi

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:27:13 +0100 Julian Yon wrote: > I'm not quite sure what "child pornography without child" is meant to > mean, but I don't think you're going to find much support for child > sexual abuse (real or faked) on this or any other public mailing list. Apparently I was wrong about

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:26:33 +0200 Eugen Leitl wrote: > So, let's please not overreact and let the people who want us to be > manipulated by universal handles succeed. Because it's just where they > want you to be: outraged, stupid, and easily goaded by the ring in > your nose. I don't think such

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:04:35 +0200 Maxim Kammerer wrote: > Nevertheless, I enjoyed reading Julian's response, > since, him apparently being from UK, his attitude reminded me of the > following old story: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm. Ah yes, I remember that story. What pa

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:34:48 + Lee Whitney wrote: > Eugen do you have children? Not attacking you based on this but I'm > curious how it affects perspective. > > In my mind it's pretty easy to drawn the line, things that have > victims should usually be illegal and things that are unpopular

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Lee Whitney wrote: > In my mind it's pretty easy to drawn the line, things that have victims > should usually be illegal and things that are unpopular but don't hurt > anyone usually should be legal. No slippery slope necessary. I think it should be pretty obviou

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

Eugen do you have children? Not attacking you based on this but I'm curious how it affects perspective. In my mind it's pretty easy to drawn the line, things that have victims should usually be illegal and things that are unpopular but don't hurt anyone usually should be legal. No slippery slope

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 07:27:13PM +0100, Julian Yon wrote: > On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:16:44 +0900 > 익명 wrote: > > Please help us. Child pornography without child is illegal in south > > Korea. > > This is one of the most disturbing messages I have read for a while. You seem to be uncommonly easil

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

In the US it seems there is a lot the FBI could be doing about Tor services like these but I'm not sure what their staff's level of knowledge is. Do FBI computer guys stick mostly to "forensics" using off the shelf tools, or do they also have software developers and people who consider theoretical

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:16:44 +0900 익명 wrote: > Please help us. Child pornography without child is illegal in south > Korea. This is one of the most disturbing messages I have read for a while. I'm not quite sure what "child pornography without child" is meant to mean, but I don't think you're go

[tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

Due to many sexual illegal behavior, Korean government started to block sexual video about under-18-old people(=underage video) > Nowadays, in south korea, they started to arrest people who download underage video due to child-teen law(in Korean, 아청법) However, there is big problem. If the title