Re: [tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-26 Thread Van Gegel
adrelanos: Since very few people shared my opinion Not so few people share your opinion, Adrelanos :) I think that too much care about the user is underestimating the user. Any adequate user at first MUST NOT to trust any of the software, including Tor. The user must decide how to use this

Re: [tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-26 Thread Andreas Krey
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:34:07 +, Van Gegel wrote: ... The user must decide how to use this software on the basis of the source code examination and own tests, How do you expect the average GFW-encumbered chinese or journalist in syria to examine the code of tor, let alone the browser or the

Re: [tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-26 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 03:17:31AM -0500, Nick Mathewson wrote: I'd love to see ways we can be more permissive without abandoning the trademark entirely. I'd been under the impression that we were doing pretty good. We seem to be at least as open as with our trademark as Debian, for example.

Re: [tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-25 Thread adrelanos
Hi! Thank you Nick for your lengthy answer! I am not going to reply with a long answer, because you considered my points and answered. I wasn't totally clear, but the basic message was correctly understood. Since very few people shared my opinion, and this thread generally received little

Re: [tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-20 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:21 AM, adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote: These pages are confusing: http://www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq.html.en https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/LikelyTMViolators Please re-consider your standpoint. It's not uncommon to include a part of

Re: [tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-20 Thread grarpamp
It's sad, that a project encouraging free speech has a restrictive trademark policy. I must admit to laughing a bit at that (given TPB and the internet as a whole are still proving classes of IP rights rather silly) and the enforcement possibilities against any purely darknet examples, no

Re: [tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-20 Thread scarp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I see a couple of problems with the LikelyTMViolators list. 1. Such a list puts projects such as tormail, torfone, torchat and torguard in the same box as the fakers producing modified harmful binary distributions of torproject.org software such as

[tor-talk] please re-consider Tor Trademark policy

2013-02-19 Thread adrelanos
These pages are confusing: http://www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq.html.en https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/LikelyTMViolators Please re-consider your standpoint. It's not uncommon to include a part of the name of the original project, into the name of the derivate/based/related