Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-07 Thread mirimir
On 10/06/2013 10:32 AM, mick wrote: On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:36:20 + mirimir miri...@riseup.net allegedly wrote: Still, if one uses nested VPN tunnels from multiple providers in suitably chosen spheres of influence, it will be nontrivial for adversaries to install enough taps. Going

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-06 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 03:19:31 +, bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch wrote: If there is any wiretap in place to monitor VPN then it would instantly drop the connection because encryption has been tampered with - that's the whole design for VPN. A tap is a completely

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-06 Thread mick
On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:36:20 + mirimir miri...@riseup.net allegedly wrote: Still, if one uses nested VPN tunnels from multiple providers in suitably chosen spheres of influence, it will be nontrivial for adversaries to install enough taps. Going through China, for example, would be a

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-05 Thread Juan Cristián
Needs a 'like' button... Of course, that makes sense - if you believe them. Well, I can prove that pigs fly. I start with the premise that pigs fly and then... -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-05 Thread Lunar
bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch: Not necessarily, as long VPN provider doesn't keep logs of your traffic. Like for instance, Phantom Peer works wonderfully since you can use bitcoin for their service. Sorry, but no. It is easy to order a wiretap on the VPN uplinks (without

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-05 Thread mirimir
On 10/05/2013 12:08 PM, Lunar wrote: bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch: Not necessarily, as long VPN provider doesn't keep logs of your traffic. Like for instance, Phantom Peer works wonderfully since you can use bitcoin for their service. Sorry, but no. It is easy to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-05 Thread BM-2cWto4coLsoD6LrFmFcUeBAua7UU2gvTSR
connection. Original Message From: mirimir To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Sun, Oct 6, 2013, 02:41 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI On 10/05/2013 12:08 PM, Lunar wrote: bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch (mailto:bm

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-05 Thread mirimir
@lists.torproject.org Sent: Sun, Oct 6, 2013, 02:41 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI On 10/05/2013 12:08 PM, Lunar wrote: bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch (mailto:bm-2cwto4colsod6lrfmfcuebaua7uu2gv...@bitmessage.ch): Not necessarily, as long VPN provider

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 03:22 +, mirimir wrote: OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened. An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large quantities of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the details to his employee. Said employee had full

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread defcon
NSA Calls TOR the king of high-secure, low-latency internethttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/internet anonymity http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rejo Zenger: ++ 03/10/13 13:49 -0400 - Ahmed Hassan: One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. Where have you read this or deducted

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:04AM -0700, Gordon Morehouse wrote: I *think* people are mistaking VPN for VPS here - I can't find the source, but there was some well distributed speculation that the FBI was easily able to obtain a server image without disrupting the site itself by having a VPS

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Roger Dingledine: To be more concrete, their job here is to link the guy to the website. So if they had a pretty good idea of who the guy was, but not enough evidence to bust him, it makes sense to me that they would go find one of the servers,

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread shadowOps07
That's what I thought; if the FBI is guilty of selling the cocaine, then they got away with it? They're using DPR's employee to initiate drug exchange. 1) DPR is not a drug facilitator. He merely host the website for people to use it. 2) Host wasn't located in the US; therefore US has no

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Juan Garofalo: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on everyone paying no attention to 'legal'

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
Why use VPN at all? Isnt VPN some strange problem? So strange: people keep using the VPN service, but i guess Tor does it better? -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu On Oct 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: As for VPN, I know several VPN doesn't keep logs at all regardless if they

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread BM-2cWto4coLsoD6LrFmFcUeBAua7UU2gvTSR
-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013, 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI Why use VPN at all? Isnt VPN some strange problem? So strange: people keep using the VPN service, but i guess Tor does it better? -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu (mailto:jerz

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread BM-2cWto4coLsoD6LrFmFcUeBAua7UU2gvTSR
Stack Overflow, ah the code forum on the website. Ok. I see. Original Message From: Jerzy Łogiewa To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013, 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI So now we know Stack Overflow works with police. -- Jerzy

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Enrique Fynn
could you not use top posting? Makes things difficult to read.[1] [1] http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html Peace; Fynn. -- Even a stopped clock is right twice a day -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Tempest
Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the situation of either complying with the law or facing

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread BM-2cWto4coLsoD6LrFmFcUeBAua7UU2gvTSR
: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the situation of either

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Al Billings
Talk to the people who write mobile email clients. — http://makehacklearn.org On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Enrique Fynn enriquef...@gmail.com wrote: could you not use top posting? Makes things difficult to read.[1] [1] http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html Peace; Fynn. -- Even a

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Juan Garofalo
--On Friday, October 04, 2013 6:41 PM + Tempest temp...@tushmail.com wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you?

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the situation of

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread adrelanos
mirimir: On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 11:44 PM, adrelanos wrote: mirimir: On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 03:01 PM, Ted Smith wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 03:22 +, mirimir wrote: OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened. An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large quantities of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the details to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Mike Perry
mirimir: On 10/03/2013 03:39 AM, Martin Weinelt wrote: this subreddit is private the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad Silk Road Answering my

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Roger Dingledine: On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:34:37AM +, mirimir wrote: Wow. I just read the complaint :8 He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupid he was. This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network. We just

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jonathan D. Proulx: 2) Traditional police work still works - this should be good news to the law and order folks that traditional methods still work and no extensive digital survailance state is needed. Note I'm only anecdotally familiar

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/02/2013 09:34 PM, mirimir wrote: This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network. It serves as an object lesson about using good operational security each and every time you get on the Net. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS]

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread shadowOps07
No, it was a rookie fuck-up that enabled old-fashioned detective work. if it wasn't a fookie fuck-up, then none of this would have happened. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Gordon Morehouse gor...@morehouse.mewrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jonathan D. Proulx: 2)

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Jonathan D. Proulx
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:26:06PM -0400, shadowOps07 wrote: :No, it was a rookie fuck-up that enabled old-fashioned detective work. if :it wasn't a fookie fuck-up, then none of this would have happened. It was human error, which is what traditional police work relies on all the time. I chuckled

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Ahmed Hassan
One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:26 PM, shadowOps07 shadow.uni...@gmail.com wrote: No, it was a rookie fuck-up that enabled old-fashioned detective

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Ted Smith
Who says they arrested him as soon as he was located? I'd bet a few bitcoins that he was found as soon as the first news story on Silk Road came out. Looking at the origins of the Silk Road and finding the first announcements of it would've been the first thing the FBI did. Everything else was

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 03/10/13 13:49 -0400 - Ahmed Hassan: One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. Where have you read this or deducted this from? -- Rejo Zenger . r...@zenger.nl . 0x21DBEFD4 .

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Patrick
If DPR has really been known since March 2011, that'd be pretty incredible. The FBI is really playing the long game. It's impossible to say at this point though. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: Who says they arrested him as soon as he was located? I'd bet a

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2013 01:49 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. Not sure. One hypothesis (and that's all it is - a

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2013 03:00 PM, Patrick wrote: If DPR has really been known since March 2011, that'd be pretty incredible. The FBI is really playing the long game. It's impossible to say at this point though. How long do these sorts of investigations

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/03/2013 05:49 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24371894 we know: According to the court complaint

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 20:58 +, mirimir wrote: So they did have the server before they knew who he was. We also knew that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of that VPN provider will come out soon. I don't see evidence in your quote that implies that. The section

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 03:25:23PM -0400, The Doctor wrote: On 10/03/2013 01:49 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. Not sure. One hypothesis (and

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:12:25AM -0700, Gordon Morehouse wrote: Here's my one teensy thing that bothers me, this bit of speculation from Ars Technica: The Tor Project, whose software enabled the Silk Road, noticed a significant spike in usage in late August and was unable to explain it.

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +, mirimir wrote: So they did have the server before they knew who he was. Careful there -- while I assume they didn't lie in their affidavit, it's quite reasonable to assume that they investigated all sorts of things, all sorts of ways, and then afterwards

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread shadowOps07
Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any jurisdiction outside of US. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +, mirimir wrote: So they did have the server before they knew who he was. Careful there

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/03/2013 10:54 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +, mirimir wrote: So they did have the server before they knew who he was. Careful there -- while I assume they didn't lie in their affidavit, it's quite reasonable to assume that they investigated all

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/03/2013 11:33 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any jurisdiction outside of US. On p. 14 of UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf, there's reference to a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Roger Dingledine

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Al Billings
Excuse me, I meant the server host, not VPN, in my reply. -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Thursday, October 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Al Billings wrote: Sure they do. The VPN was clearly not in the US and they used agreements to access it (it is mentioned in the affidavit). --

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Al Billings
Sure they do. The VPN was clearly not in the US and they used agreements to access it (it is mentioned in the affidavit). -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Thursday, October 3, 2013 at 4:33 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread shadowOps07
Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist police state just because Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty is in place. They have the MORAL obligation to disregard the treaty. US is in no position to demand obligations from other countries. Rather, MLAT is a farce. On Thu,

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Juan Garofalo
--On Thursday, October 03, 2013 6:54 PM -0400 Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of that VPN provider will come out soon. Why? So everybody can abandon that VPN and move to a different one that also responds to subpoenas

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 12:44 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist police state just because Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty is in place. They have the MORAL obligation to disregard the treaty. US is in no position to demand obligations from other

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Juan Garofalo
I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' restraints. If the NSA happens to find the location of, say, a

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread krishna e bera
On 13-10-03 09:13 PM, Juan Garofalo wrote: --On Thursday, October 03, 2013 6:54 PM -0400 Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of that VPN provider will come out soon. Why? So everybody can abandon that VPN and move to a

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread shadowOps07
What kind of VPN provider did he use? On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:27 PM, mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 10/04/2013 12:44 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist police state just because Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty is in place.

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' restraints.

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +, mirimir wrote: On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread shadowOps07
All government agency lies. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Juan Garofalo juan@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 02:22 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: What kind of VPN provider did he use? He had a dedicated exit IP, given that it was hard coded in his site for admin access. That was also a risky move, in my opinion. He could have lost the VPN account, and the IP. Better practice is using key-based

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 02:21 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +, mirimir wrote: On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Juan Garofalo
--On Friday, October 04, 2013 2:11 AM + mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Phil Mocek
krishna e bera: If the FBI had to use a subpoena it means the VPN provider wasnt cooperating, but was forced by legal means to hand over the info. It would be unrealistic to expect any provider in any country to destroy subscriber info after they had received a notice from a judge ordering

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 03:50 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: --On Friday, October 04, 2013 2:11 AM + mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-03 Thread Juan Garofalo
--On Friday, October 04, 2013 3:22 AM + mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 10/04/2013 02:21 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +, mirimir wrote: On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is

[tor-talk] Silk road

2013-10-02 Thread David Larsus
looking for a way to contact silk road.Site shut down.money at stake. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

[tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Ahmed
http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Silk road

2013-10-02 Thread Ahmed
http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html It was shutdown by the FBI. On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 15:10 -0400, David Larsus wrote: looking for a way to contact silk road.Site shut down.money at stake. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Al Billings
Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were intercepted by customs while being mailed from Canada. — http://makehacklearn.org On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Ahmed ah...@linuxism.com wrote: http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html --

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread jake.tar...@gmail.com
Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were intercepted by customs while being mailed from Canada. Where did you read this? On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:29, Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Al Billings
It was one of the things clearly listed in the court filing. http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf — http://makehacklearn.org On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, jake.tar...@gmail.com jake.tar...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, part of what tipped off

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Ahmed Hassan
Go to page 24 here, and read how was caught: http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf He was caught because of this post - stackoverflow.com/questions/15445285/how-can-i-connect-to-a-tor-hidden-service-using-curl-in-php On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:33 PM,

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread mirimir
On 10/02/2013 07:21 PM, Ahmed wrote: http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html The FBI recently took down Freedom Hosting. Tormail used Freedom Hosting. I wonder whether the FBI found unencrypted messages on Tormail servers that led them to Ross Ulbricht. --

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Al Billings
I think they were already looking for him by name when he posted on stackoverflow. — http://makehacklearn.org On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Ahmed Hassan ah...@linuxism.com wrote: Go to page 24 here, and read how was caught:

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Ted Smith
Page 26 paragraph 38 (I think) is where it has the first indication of how they caught him. Summary: * The very first mention of the Silk Road was from a user named altoid on a forum * Someone else named altoid on the bitcoin forums advertised for developers, using an

Re: [tor-talk] Silk road

2013-10-02 Thread Shaun Savage
He got busted. On 10/02/2013 12:10 PM, David Larsus wrote: looking for a way to contact silk road.Site shut down.money at stake. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread kendrick eastes
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, jake.tar...@gmail.com jake.tar...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, part of what tipped off the Feds was when his fake IDs were intercepted by customs while being mailed from Canada. Where did you read this?

Re: [tor-talk] Silk road

2013-10-02 Thread Michael Wolf
On 10/2/2013 3:58 PM, Shaun Savage wrote: He got busted. On 10/02/2013 12:10 PM, David Larsus wrote: looking for a way to contact silk road.Site shut down.money at stake. And now that Mr. Larsus (if that is his real name) has posted publicly that he has money at stake at silk road, the

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread shadowOps07
https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/85dc5cccf8c6 The charges won't stick for numerous of reasons. He will be let go. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:31 PM, kendrick eastes keas...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, jake.tar...@gmail.com jake.tar...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, part of

Re: [tor-talk] Silk road

2013-10-02 Thread shadowOps07
Not if he has the messages encrypted with PGP. NSA/FBI cannot crack/factor beyond 1024 bit RSA. Always, always, always encrypt your message with PGP. Congratulation to Special Agent Christopher Tarbell: [image: Inline image 1] Alias, DPR will be acquitted because the charges won't stick against

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread mirimir
On 10/02/2013 09:32 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/85dc5cccf8c6 The charges won't stick for numerous of reasons. He will be let go. While I appreciate the spirit of those reasons, I'm 100% certain that they'll mean nothing in the US court system. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread mirimir
On 10/02/2013 07:49 PM, Al Billings wrote: It was one of the things clearly listed in the court filing. http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf Wow. I just read the complaint :8 He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupid he

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:34:37AM +, mirimir wrote: Wow. I just read the complaint :8 He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupid he was. This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network. We just put up a statement on the blog which basically says that:

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread shadowOps07
Guys, There are rumors that LE arrested the wrong DPR guy, as a security precaution. Just read it over at reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1nle25/has_anyone_considered_this/ My two cents. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:34 PM, mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 10/02/2013 07:49

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan D. Proulx
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 10:07:00PM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: :On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:34:37AM +, mirimir wrote: : Wow. I just read the complaint :8 : : He was unfathomably stupid. Words cannot express how stupid he was. : : This has absolutely no relevance to the Tor network. : :We

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Weinelt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 this subreddit is private the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad Silk Road On 03.10.2013 04:29, shadowOps07 wrote:

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread mirimir
On 10/03/2013 03:39 AM, Martin Weinelt wrote: this subreddit is private the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad Silk Road Answering my own question:

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread mirimir
On 10/03/2013 03:39 AM, Martin Weinelt wrote: this subreddit is private the moderators of this subreddit have set it to private. you must be a moderator or approved submitter to view its contents. a message from the moderators of /r/SilkRoad Silk Road They can have their little private

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-02 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:17:08PM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: :https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-and-silk-road-takedown In many ways this is (or should be) a PR win for Tor. 1) No technical vulnerabilities were used (AFAWK) - this should be welcome news to Tor users 2)

[tor-talk] silk road

2012-12-06 Thread Edwin Farnworth
I want to know how to purchase merchandise on silk road using tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] silk road

2012-12-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:11:20AM -0800, Edwin Farnworth wrote: I want to know how to purchase merchandise on silk road using tor-talk Tor-talk is a mailing list. I doubt the Silk Road accepts mailing lists as currency. Pro tip: try Google. ___

Re: [tor-talk] silk road

2012-12-06 Thread Philip Holbrook
slim chance anyone here will help you buy drugs Sent from my iPhone 5 On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:55 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:11:20AM -0800, Edwin Farnworth wrote: I want to know how to purchase merchandise on silk road using tor-talk Tor-talk is a mailing

Re: [tor-talk] silk road

2012-12-06 Thread Julian Yon
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:29:44 -0500 Philip Holbrook fhlipz...@gmail.com wrote: slim chance anyone here will help you buy drugs Careful, someone's knee might jerk and you'll be accused of attacking their freedom of speech. -- 3072D/F3A66B3A Julian Yon (2012 General Use) pgp.2...@jry.me