lake_eleven wrote:
After running HRT II+ with usb powered hub, I tried without the hub. And
oh, there is no clicks or pops even when playing 24/96 files. Anything
got autofixed
Does the info display say it is full speed and async? If so does the
momentary frequency change? If it does
Kuro wrote:
The Legato is running Wavelength's Streamlength code on the USB
receiver. If I have no hub turned on, the sound is played extremely
slowly. With no hub work around off, everything is playing correctly.
So it seems not all USB Class 1.0 audio device would require the no hub
mldb wrote:
Hi Triode, Did you find the way setting the chip to output 24/192 I2S to
the built-in DAC? Happy to involve in testing if it is ready. Thanks.
Afraid nothing positive to report here yet.
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tank121 wrote:
My Touch updated to 7.7 today (might be coincidence) but when I select
the official Spotify app now it comes up with 'You have made a selection
that will connect to different library' and will get no further
Please help.
I'm running Squeezeplug on a dockstar
Looks like
snoozer wrote:
Question to Triode: is there available somewhere the Kernel that you
have modified and that the Touch downloads from Google code ? (source
code I mean, it would be great to learn from your changes to the Touch´s
kernel)
Its really a selective merge of recent changes
Kuro wrote:
I'm using the AR-T Legato S/PDIF converter. It is a USB Class 1 device.
I did not put a USB hub b/w it and SBT, but in order for it to work, I
have to disable (turn off) the USB 1 No-Hub Workaround.
I wonder if the flat indicating this setting is incorrect or am I
missing
Kellen wrote:
Sorry but I still am not understating (maybe its my English). Does the
Touch have a 192 worthy DAC in it that qualifys and can I download and
install this app with my USB stick if I don't have my Touch on the
internet.
Only via digital output.
HumanMedia wrote:
Anyone else using this combo?
What buffer size are you using?
I get dropouts using the standard buffer size, but its fine with largest
USB buffers.
Should I really be using a USB2 hub and standard buffer sizes?
A hub will only help for full speed devices (usb audio class
alcarp wrote:
Was wondering if the problem of EDO into the USB of the NAD M51 DAC has
been resolved?
I don't think anyone with a NAD has tried the newer test kernels -
please look at the experiments thread and try kernel #9 to see if this
helps. Afraid we can't be any more specific than this
Mnyb wrote:
I created a directory for my custom images that are available to the
server all the time on the server itself , You can't upload in the
traditional sense you point LMS to a directory where the image is, that
directory must be available to the server.
So if your server is on a
warpeon wrote:
What is kernel #12?
Kernel #12 is intended for tenor 8802l devices. It tries to correct
slightly more cases than kernel #11 for corrupted feedback packets which
the tenor device seems to produce. If you have a tenor 8802l based
device I would be interested in feedback on
Its worth saying that I would like to hear from other SBT users with
Tenor devices as the work around for diego may need changing for other
devices. I would like to get some more test data and would ask that
anyone willing to do so posts here and we can ask you to try one of the
test kernels to
Please be aware that kernel #11 will only work with usb2 devices and is
specifically designed for the Tenor 8802l device.
It appears that the Tenor device corrupts the feedback messages it sends
to the linux host. This firmware contains some code to work around the
specific corruption seen on
Ali Tait wrote:
Just received a 24/192 wav recording on disc from Soundkeeper
Recordings. Copied it to my HD and attempted to play it back on the
Touch. Plays ok but it's in slow motion! anyone come across similar and
found a cure?
Are you using the EDO output app? If so at present you
Ali Tait wrote:
I'm not up on all these mods, when does 7.8 come out?
I have no idea about a release date - ask logitech... You can install
the beta of 7.8 server and this will get 7.8 firmware which I believe
will work now. But if you prefer to only use release software then you
will need
Ali Tait wrote:
Ok, converted to FLAC and it still plays in slow motion. Plays fine on
my laptop via VLC.
Do you have native flac playback disabled on the filetypes setting
menu?
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Ali Tait wrote:
Looked in filetypes, and I have flac in the flac section set to
disabled. I looked at the WAV section and changed flac in that to
flac/sox and now the wav file will play at normal speed, but it drops in
and out. The flac copy still plays slow.
I'm using the Controller, and
and is not
accessible anymore since then... I wrote the vendors of audio-gd and of
TE8802L, but I fear, I will have to send the Digital Interface to
repair... F-word. So... experimenting will take a bit longer, and
obviousely, I will think twice before restarting...
LUCKILY, Triode (thanks!!!) did
diego wrote:
Thanks for the answer!
It needs a proprietary driver for Windows. I guess, this is not the
standard uac 2, right? Here is the drivers needed:
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/TE8802/TE8802EN.htm
1) However, I connected it already to Windows with the proprietary
driver, and
diego wrote:
Here comes the dmesg output:
Can you post what the output of the dmesg command gives in each case
as well?
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diego wrote:
And here come the files for 96000 in the attachment. Here the change is
even more radical, since I switched everything on: It is now exactly
like the first time we spoke, with the original EDO Kernel. the cat
/proc/asound/card1/stream0 switches between this values: 88002, 96004,
diego wrote:
Thanks Triode, this gives again hope!
TEAC uses TE8802. However, I suspect, that a matching firmware is
needed, to have it even seen by the SBT. At least, this is my
experience. I use a TE8802-audio-gd-Digital Interface. When I have the
standard firmware (made for win and mac
USB test kernel #9
There is a patch on the alsa development list which looks like it may be
relavent to the Teac UD-H01 support. It looks like this patch is
speculative and unproven (i.e. no one has responded to the patch author
saying it works...) However I've applied this patch to the touch
Could someone with a Teac UD-H01 dac try the experimental kernel
documented in:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93310-Async-USB-Dac-Experiments-testers-wantedp=707854viewfull=1#post707854
Please post results on that thread to avoid adding noise to this one...
firedog wrote:
Upgraded the Touch firmware (uninstalled EDO first). After upgrade
reinstalled EDO. Now when I play a 192 track, I get unsupported
format.
The app seems to be installed, but does't work.
Thanks
EDO won't impact the formats supported (though may impact the speed they
diego wrote:
Playback:
Status: Running
Interface = 3
Altset = 2
URBs = 8 [ 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 ]
Packet Size = 156
Momentary freq = 104004 Hz (0xd.0020)
Feedback Format = 16.16
Interface 3
Altset 1
Format: S16_LE
Channels: 2
Endpoint: 3 OUT (ASYNC)
Rates: 44100, 48000, 88200,
diego wrote:
It shows EXACTLY 44100 - which is probably not what it should... right?
However, with 96k - files it continues clicking all the time...
So I tried switching a couple of time between 44.1k and 96k - files and
got the result a couple of times. The result:
44.1 k -files show
diego wrote:
I got all I needed to test.
As an alternative, I wanted to try the procedure in Triods thread Async
USB Dac Experiments - testers wanted... here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93310-Async-USB-Dac-Experiments-testers-wantedp=687127viewfull=1#post687127
.
dahmwern wrote:
Yeah its definitely still the EDO kernel. It says it on the splash
screen. I've rebooted probably 10-15 times, and it happens every time.
No reason for it to change either, it was a random thing. I even
UNINSTALLED EDO and REINSTALLED IT and it still happens.
What I
dahmwern wrote:
So a bit of a problem arose recently.
For a while now I've been using the Squeezebox Touch (latest firmware)
with the EDO 0.7. It was all working perfectly. I could choose USB DAC
from the Digital Output list, and click on it to see what bitrate
quality it was running
diego wrote:
It looks like the manufacturer has done that already, and they are in
testing stage, but they do not push it, as they say, they focus on Mac
an Win.
However, Info Chiu from the manuf. will send me a testing file that I
will have to flash onto my TE8802L-based usb input board,
alec_cat wrote:
Hi Triode.
I was surprised to see users say here that they got the C390DD working
with EDO whereas the M51 is currently incompatible, cause the NAD guy I
was speaking to said they shared the same basic digital architecture.
Would that give the NAD guys more direction when
rudolffischer wrote:
Triode, hi
did that and found the following lines in messages:
Seems that for some reason something is failing to start, causing max
sample rate to limit at 96000
As far as I can tell there is nothing out of the ordinary about my SB
Touch setup.
I have attached
zoldar wrote:
Hi
Tried the USB out with a MF V-link and it works but with pops and ticks.
I read I should by a 2.0 hub corretc?
Assuming this is a full speed usb device the yes - you need an external
high speed hub.
Now trying to play 172.4khz (reveries by reference recordings)
squeezesound wrote:
First Thanks to Triode starter of is thread !
Did all the clear instructions you give allready on the SB touch and
thats running now.
On the digital output with toslink and coax it works fine.
But the blue USB led on the ud-h01 keeps blinking and do not recognize
diego wrote:
Subject: TE8802L: Please provide full Linux/SBT - Compatibility for
asynchronous mode
Are there any known cases of it working with the native linux drivers on
other machines? I am happy to look at known working patches to the
linux tree which make it work, but really need it
diego wrote:
What reminds, is, the TE8802 works on Macs with recent operating
systems, natively, no extra driver needed. As far as I have heard, the
Mac os are Linux based, so their drivers would probably work on Linux
too, if someone gets hold of them, who is able to adapt them to other
rudolffischer wrote:
I have FLAC set to native and everything else to disabled, so Logitech
Media Server should not transcode or downsample. I am wondering if this
could be a bug with the Synology Version of Logitech Media Server?
If EDO is installed correctly and you have the spdif output
cfv wrote:
Did I miss the part where it says that USB hot plugging is now
supported? Because it now works with my CDQ (both after rebooting the
CDQ and replugging the cable).
GREAT!
Hot plug works as long as the DAC was on when you booted Touch and that
you turn off/on or unplug replug
coco51 wrote:
I was happily using EDO, then decided to give TT3 a try in addition. I
found it too difficult to set up TT3 correctly, so I reset the factory
settings, and re-installed EDO. Now however the Enhanced Digital Output
warning does not appear at the top of the screen, and I've
rgro wrote:
In the EnhancedDigitalOutput.lua file, does it matter what name the
alsaPlaybackDevice is called. The device is named VLink in some of
the other files (I'm using the VLink II, so that's correct). The
default name in the EnhancedDigitalOutput.lua file is default. Should
it be
alcarp wrote:
I still can't get the SBT to work with the NAD M51 DAC. The DAC appears
as one of the devices available when in the Digital output menu but I
get no sound. Works with the Audiophilleo 2.
M51 is not supported at present as it does not work with Linux. One of
the other users
mldb wrote:
I think having 24/192 I2S capability will make this excellent digital
audio player complete. Given that it can output 24/192 with coaxial
output, the chip itself is capable in handling it. Just need to find
the right setting. Read your post on suggested setting. Hope we can
?94855-Triode-s-USB-24-192-plug-in-sound-quality-impressions
In each of the cases below I fear you have probably been caught out by
the placebo effect - I can see no technical reason why settings will
have an impact on sound quality and I would like to end this
conversation here as it is distracting
SBGK wrote:
apart from the fact that myself and others find it improves the SQ, so
it is at least worth a try.
Please read the audiophile forum thread and restart squeezeplay so you
see what the actual buffer settings are - there is no change with spdif
to the actual buffer settings which get
SBGK wrote:
what about these period and buffer sizes below, they change.
Please read the audiophile forum thread especially this post:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94855-Triode-s-USB-24-192-plug-in-sound-quality-impressionsp=705120viewfull=1#post705120
These very large
SBGK wrote:
Have found a change you can make to allow different configuration of
alsa_buffer and periodcount through the Touch menu.
I am using 9 and periodcount=64, which sounds great. Think the
max buffer that has any effect is probably 50, but I use 9
just in
New release available with two new features:
- bug fix to avoid crash when using low sample rates which require
resampling [1]
- additional very large buffer values for use with usb interfaces -
note these will delay responsiveness of changing tracks as it takes
multiple seconds to drain buffer
RadioClash wrote:
Okay to update to 0.7 without removing 0.6, or should that be
uninstalled first?
Tremendous work by the way.
As before - just update
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mldb wrote:
What are the technical challenges to support 24/192 on the I2S output
taken from the SBT?
I am not sure this is possible - I tried changing the clock dividers in
the linux driver but it did not seem to do what I was expecting. This
is a different kernel driver from the spdif one
SBGK wrote:
I prefer the sound of 0.6, 0.7 seems to be a backward step in my system
as it seems more forward and digital in sound. Is it possible for me to
switch back to 0.6 ?
cheers
The only changes are the additional buffer options and the bypass of the
defined buffer size if you use a
lake_eleven wrote:
Did anyone try the 'very large' buffer size in EDO 0.7, does it enhance
16/44 FLAC/WAV playback thru SPDIFor it is exclusively for USB out.
See the thread in the audiophile forum - there is no point of using the
very large setting for spdif as the large one is already
rgro wrote:
Hi Triode,
Here is the debug from the last episode I just induced:
13388
I hope this attachment worksfirst time I've attempted.
I see you are playing the local files as pcm - can you confirm what the
sample rate for these is. Does it change if you stream as flac
rgro wrote:
Forgive memy understanding is that, in LMS, setting flac to
disabled and PCM to flac enables flac decoding to take place on the
server? If I change flac to native and leave PCM as flac will that
change the stream to flac (decodes on Touch?) or do I also need to set
PCM to
mldb wrote:
Have modified SBT and taken the I2S signal to the internal DAC and use
it to connect external DAC. I tested version 0.5 which only support up
to 24/96. Would this new version make it work for 24/192 sampling?
Sorry no.
rgro wrote:
I've experimented with a number of different combinations, but the only
one that seems to work when switching from a low bitrate radio stream to
My Music is your default buffer settings. As soon as I go to the
large buffer setting and switch from radio to My Music, I get the
SBGK wrote:
Does this update overwrite the jive_alsa file ie should I keep a backup
up of the old one in case I want to revert back to it ?
It will overwrite it, but the new one should be more similar to the
original unless you play with the experiemental settings...
koowat wrote:
hi everyone,
how would one update to 0.6? do we just install over it? I think i'm on
0.3 or 0.4..also would 0.6 have a problem with DacMagic 100 (since
its a USB2 DAC)? thanks everyone!
Just overwrite it.
For usb 2 dacs if they are working they should continue to
adyc wrote:
Is there any chance to support DSD over USB with this plugin?
http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/page/assets/DSDoverUSB.pdf
Short answer is - I don't know. That document seems to suggest a way of
packing DSD into PCM frames. If there is a dac which supports this and
a way of creating a
Baronvonkarp wrote:
Hi Triode,
Thanks for the update! I tried it, but I still get the delaying start
with 192k playback. I use SBT with MF v-dac mkII with coax or do I need
to set another buffer? I did not experiment with that.
Delayed start may be a potential conquence of 192k and a slow
rgro wrote:
Hi Triode,
Had a sudden shutdown in the midst of playing music about an hour
post-installation of 0.6. Pressing the reset button did nothing and
screen was dead---had to pull the power and start up.
Edit: May 16.happened again this morning.
rgro
Can you recreate
SBGK wrote:
Am trying large buffers and randomise CPU. Do you have any more detail
about what randomise CPU means ?
Randomise cpu is the additional feature which was in the version you
didn't like! I will descibe more on the audiophile board later this
evening as I think its a topics that is
rgro wrote:
Hi Triode,
So it seems there is a two part problem. I was playing a low bit rate
radio stream and then switched to My Music to play some music off the
server. As soon as I attempted to switch to My Music, that completely
locked up the Touch. It disappeared from
rgro wrote:
This is what I was listening to:
http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s34153partnerId=16
BTW, just tried switching back and forth beween high bit rate radio
stations and My Music and the problem did not occur.
I've failed to reproduce - can you provide any more details as
New version of app released with the following changes:
- potentially reduced stutter for 176/192k playback by delaying start of
playback for these sample rates until the output buffer has reached
greater fill
- support low sample rates of internet radio streams by falling back to
software
Could you give me an example of the radio streams which play like
chipmunks? I think it may be possible to enable the resampling layer
just for sample rates which are not supported by the hardware.
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catcando wrote:
Hi
I have a Touch, and am using some of Triode's apps already, and have
followed this thread on the new app, but I cannot get it to show up in
my apps list!
I have found the app on Triodes app download page, but cannot find the
file chain, which I gather is this
catcando wrote:
Thanks for the reply.
After following another users advice, I was able to find it by using the
Touch itself, settings, advanced, applets, and there it is.
Why does it not show up on the web based interface, with your other
apps? I installed your Spotify app, from the web
and internetradio and UI
and stuff , problem solved .
If you are stuck with an USB only DAC then the problem is a real one, I
would use EDO only, if the problem persist I would consult Triode or
John S about it for qualified help ?
But I'm quite sure that this is a side effect of TT3 .
Afraid
Mnyb wrote:
Usually the reason for not using FLAC is iTunes, that group of people
are larger than the lunatic fringe in audio by a very very large number
, so aiff is often used .
(You could of course make 16/44.1 aiffs and they are extremely likely to
sound the same )
To attract more
Quad wrote:
Couldn't resist and bought the NAD M51 anyway.
Here is /var/log/messages with audio.codec, audio.output and
audio.decode debugging enabled. There is no /proc/asound/N20/stream0, it
fails earlier.
(Factory reset, EDO and experimental kernel installed)
According to NAD it
Quad wrote:
I found this http://www.xcore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8t=1719. It
seems that the NAD identifies itself as subtype 9
(UAC2_EXTENSION_UNIT_V2). The ALSA driver can't handle that. Any chance
to make this happen? I know this might be a rather obscure issue...
Yep - I think this is
Quad wrote:
I found this http://www.xcore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8t=1719. It
seems that the NAD identifies itself as subtype 9
(UAC2_EXTENSION_UNIT_V2). The ALSA driver can't handle that. Any chance
to make this happen? I know this might be a rather obscure issue...
Please try kernel#8 -
Quad wrote:
That's the new messages.txt.
OK - you get the new message I added, which is a start - lets take the
discussion off list and we can then report back if we make progress.
[Looks like I will need to build a few test kernels for you to try on
this]
SBGK wrote:
Hi,
here is the output from above
I can get the 24/192 to play by unplugging the usb cable and then
plugging it back in while it is playing
Thats really strange! If you look at the output, then the correct
sample rate is seen by the squeezeplay log, but the momentary
Quad wrote:
I brought back my NAD M51 due to the lack of EDO support. If your
supposition was true, could be dealt with that solely from the Touch
side? Or is it the firmware of the NAD which had to be adapted?
Thanks for your great applet!
Very hard to tell without some debugging output
SBGK wrote:
Hi,
Reinstalled the firmware back to 7.6 and then upgraded to 7.7.2 to
ensure everything was off the Touch, then installed EDO 0.5 and tried it
with the Mhdt USbridge
still couldn't get it to work, the 44.1 tracks were playing at 48 and
the 48 tracks were playing at 44.1,
Quad wrote:
Couldn't resist and bought the NAD M51 anyway.
Here is /var/log/messages with audio.codec, audio.output and
audio.decode debugging enabled. There is no /proc/asound/N20/stream0, it
fails earlier.
(Factory reset, EDO and experimental kernel installed)
According to NAD it
SBGK wrote:
think I have solved the stutter at track changes for 24/192 uncompressed
flacs by changing the $outputThreshold setting from 20 to 100 eg
# Threshold the output buffer for high sample-rate flac.
if ( $track ) {
if ( $track-samplerate() $track-samplerate() = 88200 ) {
alcarp wrote:
Tried connecting via USB to this DAC which has a USB2.0 input. No luck.
SBT comes up with USB Hub Workaround option.
Can you post what /proc/around/card/stream0 says? I suspect it thinks
it is a full speed device
Fluid wrote:
Yes 24/192 is playing very slowly almost like white noise
On iPad it shows it is playing transcoded to flac
My AVR specification shows Wolfsen 24/192 DACs
Any ideas it plays the files upto 24/96 quite happily as it did before I
installed your software
Any ideas?
Fluid wrote:
I have found the answer to my own question
My Arcam AVR has 24/192 DACs but can only handle a 24/96 input hence the
problem so in my set up I don't think your software will add anything?
Unless there is an improvement in sound quality which I don't think you
claimed
I
diego wrote:
No experiencies or knowledge around about TE8802 - based DACs ?
Sorry no.
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diego wrote:
Thanks. Mine is already orderd, however, it would still be cancelable...
but I will get it and let you know about my experiencies.
I guess there will be more DACs coming out soon featuring this usb input
chip.
However, maybe you could give me a hint in the meantime while I
Fluid wrote:
Hi Guys
I installed this plug in on my newly purchased touch
I have my music on a MacBook running the server and have the coax out
put going into my Arcam AVR350 which has Wolfsen Dacs and plays 24/96
files quite happily Without the plug in installed
When I used the
Mnyb wrote:
I think he has aiff files .
Does not serverside transcoding to flac work in in this case ?
(I'm not able to test any of it myself ,my system is 24/96 trough and
trough and I got no USB dac either , I think my preamp can downsample
192k but I think SoX does it better )
Yep
johnsin wrote:
Hi Triode,
I have been using SB3 and just bought SBT after reading this thread.
First of all, this is not a problem related to EDO but I am asking your
help whether it is possible to add option to Turn off audio signal
when the SBT is turned off. In SB3, there is an option
JIJ3 wrote:
With kernal 5, 192K files play at 1/2 speed. They are not downsampled by
the server. With kernal 6, they play at correct speed, but are
downsampled by the server. Does kernal 5 alter this DIV2 setting to
divide the clocks by 2? If so, that may be the problem. My reading of
this
For people who had a problem with usb audio class 2 dacs not finding the
output device - please could you try the test kernel described on the
other thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93310-Async-USB-Dac-Experiments-testers-wantedp=703325viewfull=1#post703325
I believe this may
skydl wrote:
No sound out of the Leema DAC.
The output of aplay -l:
# aplay -l
List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices
card 0: TXRX [MXC SPDIF TX/RX], device 0: MXC_SPDIF [MXC_SPDIF]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: DAC [Leema Elements DAC], device 0: USB Audio
skydl wrote:
These are from the same time!
I turn on the DAC. When the DAC is coming up i turn on the Squeeze.
Please try rebooting the touch after the dac is booted.
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skydl wrote:
No effect.
No Sound out of the DAC.
Here the dmesg file:
Could you post /var/log/messages too?
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skydl wrote:
The Dac goes to 32Khz plays 1 second on the wrong khz (44.1 is the right
for Cds). Then stops playing.
Could you try with the release 7.7.2 firmware and then install the new
kernel and EDO again and see if it gets to the same point - trying to
remove any other strange cases.
skydl wrote:
The Dac plays with the wrong Khz. All Flacs are playing with 32Khz. The
sound DON´T stop at 1 second. But dac plays with 32khz.
Please enable native flac decode in server file types.
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skydl wrote:
I give you a screenshoot from the settings:
OK thats not it - can you enable audio.output debugging on the touch and
see what the /var/log/messages file gives when you start to play
something?
Triode's
New test kernel #7 available - to be used to try to find issues with
remaining problematic usb 2 dacs
To try:
1) Install Enhanced Digital Output as normal (see other thread)
2) follow step 3 at the start of this thread to add my usbtestrepo to
your LMS plugin page
3) Install the Kernel Updater
willcycle wrote:
Out of curiosity, does anyone know which USB chip is used in the Touch?
Not sure what you are specifically looking for here, but its part of the
Freescale Imx35 soc used in touch.
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Mushroom_3 wrote:
I have used both methods and the EDO legend is still in the top left of
the screen when it powers up. I think there should be a warning that
once installed you can't fully uninstall EDO.
You can - you need to reinstall a stock firmware (via settings
advanced software
FredNowak wrote:
I sent Customer Support at Wyred4Sound a copy of my post and John's
reply. I asked if John's assessment that the µDAC has the M2Tech OEM
board is correct. Here is the Wyred response: John is incorrect, we are
not using the interface he mentions. We are using the same
vincey103 wrote:
hi triode,
I've followed your posts on pink fish and had been delighted with the
usb plug in going into mdac via usb hub. all was working well until a
couple of days ago when i uploaded the new audio lab firmware and its
all gone to pieces-dac not recognised,crashes etc
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