Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-24 Thread Phil Leigh
peterw;535092 Wrote: > Along those lines, I think seanadams might suggest that instead of bit > depth we report noise ratio: -100 dB - Squeezebox gain - replay gain > (if in use). > > It's kinda sad, the '\"Audio\" specs' > (http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/squeezebox-touch.html#tab2)

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-23 Thread Valentino
erland;534495 Wrote: > Could you try: > 1. Setup my testing repository in Squeezebox Server Settings/Plugins: > > Code: > > > http://erlandplugins.googlecode.com/svn/repository/trunk/testing.xml > > > > 2. Install the "Patch Installer" applet

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread peterw
Valentino;535029 Wrote: > The output bit-depth is reduced when you turn the volume down. -6dB on > the volume control makes 23 "effective bits". > > But I do think Phil Leigh is pulling our leg ever so slightly? Along those lines, I think seanadams might suggest that instead of bit depth we rep

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread Valentino
erland;534915 Wrote: > Does the bit-depth change when you change the volume ? I thought that > was related to the music file The output bit-depth is reduced when you turn the volume down. -6dB on the volume control makes 23 "effective bits". But I do think Phil Leigh is pulling our leg ever so

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread erland
peterw;534987 Wrote: > > It'd be easier to either have CLI for delivering a 100-member array of > ampgain values for those few players that have external amp volume > control (and doing so only once per player). > Sounds reasonable. peterw;534987 Wrote: > > I'm not sure how best to handle m

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread peterw
peterw;534906 Wrote: > Currently it's just an internal Perl API, but I'd be happy to add a > CLI/JSON API. Perhaps you could subscribe to something like 'ampgain' > notifications, and receive player-specific notifications when the gain > changes, with tagged data like "dbgain:-20.5" and "mute:0"

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread erland
Phil Leigh;534901 Wrote: > Can we also have a volume readout in bit-depth? > ... "You are listening at 22 bits" > "You are listening at 10 bits" > ... > That would be useful. > Does the bit-depth change when you change the volume ? I thought that was related to the music file -- erland Erlan

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread peterw
erland;534805 Wrote: > Does the DenonSerial plugin publish the adjusted curve via CLI/JSON ? > Or is it just an internal perl API ? > > Can I somehow check if DenonSerial is installed and activated for a > specific player over CLI/JSON ? Currently it's just an internal Perl API, but I'd be happ

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread Phil Leigh
Can we also have a volume readout in bit-depth? ... "You are listening at 22 bits" "You are listening at 10 bits" ... That would be useful. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread erland
Valentino;534736 Wrote: > I want it for my still unreceived Touch. Can I test your patch on > SqueezePlay, erland? > Only if you run SqueezePlay on Linux, the "Patch Installer" applet doesn't work on Windows. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my p

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread erland
Valentino;534736 Wrote: > I want it for my still unreceived Touch. Can I test your patch on > SqueezePlay, erland? > Only if you run SqueezePlay on Linux, the "Patch Installer" applet doesn't work on Windows. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my p

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread erland
peterw;534776 Wrote: > > Ideally there would also be an API for getting non-standard curves. > E.G. one of my SB3 players has a fixed output but thanks to my > DenonSerial plugin, its 0 to 100 SB volume maps to a -80 to 0 dB gain > (my amp can go up to +18 dB but I opted for a quieter top end an

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread Valentino
peterw;534776 Wrote: > I don't think the question is what you think the curve should be, it's > which players you'd like this on. :-) Thanks for clarifying. The answer is ALL :-) -- Valentino Valentino's Profile: http://

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread peterw
Valentino;534736 Wrote: > > Also I think that 100 steps for 74dB is too coarse (I like 0.5 or even > 0.1 dB steps), but that might be unavoidable? I don't think the question is what you think the curve should be, it's which players you'd like this on. :-) Erland is trying to ensure he reports t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-14 Thread Valentino
I want it for my still unreceived Touch. Can I test your patch on SqueezePlay, erland? Also I think that 100 steps for 74dB is too coarse (I like 0.5 or even 0.1 dB steps), but that might be unavoidable? -- Valentino Vale

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-13 Thread erland
peterw;534503 Wrote: > That's definitely not correct for Boom and Radio (that's the > SB2/Receiver curve, and can be found in the Slim :: Player :: etc. Perl > code). > Found this in Slim::Player::Boom, so you are definitely correct about the Boom: # So A total dynamic range of 74dB over 10

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-13 Thread peterw
erland;533587 Wrote: > if I interpret the MusicInfoSCR code correctly it calculates the dB > value with the formula: > -abs(($vol / 2) - 50) > > Is it the same for the Touch/Radio or should it be calculated some > other way ? That's definitely not correct for Boom and Radio. I don't know what t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-13 Thread erland
Could you try: 1. Setup my testing repository in Squeezebox Server Settings/Plugins: Code: http://erlandplugins.googlecode.com/svn/repository/trunk/testing.xml 2. Install the "Patch Installer" applet through the Settings/Advanced/Applet Install

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread Valentino
MusicInfoSCR displays: Max: -0 dB (Maybe it's -0.0 dB, I can check this afternoon Scandinavian time :)) Middle: -21.5 dB (e.g.) Equals 59 on standard readout Min: -[indefinete sign]. Volume is off. Equals 0 on standard readout. Thanks for looking into this, erland. -- Valentino --

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread erland
I'm sure we can create a patch for this which can be installed through the "Patch Installer" applet, if I interpret the MusicInfoSCR code correctly it calculates the dB value with the formula: -abs(($vol / 2) - 50) Is it the same for the Touch/Radio or should it be calculated some other way ? Wha

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread Valentino
Yes, I know. But I the weirdo prefer dB. -- Valentino Valentino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77161 _

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread mico1964
Every step in the volume range is 0.5dB. So if maximum level (volume 100) is 0dB, and you set the volume (for example) at 80, output level is -10dB. The same for Squeezebox Duet. -- mico1964 mico1964's Profile: http://foru

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread Valentino
-dB ref. 0dBFS would do the job. -- Valentino Valentino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77161 _

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread tcutting
I'm sorry, but your (Kevin Haskin's) response is a bit off. dB is a relative term. It is only an ABSOLUTE value when it is related to some other value. For example, dBm is with respect to power, with 0dBm being equal to 1 mW. Sound pressure levels must also have a standard value, and a related

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread Kevin Haskins
Valentino;533136 Wrote: > Is there a way to display the Touch volume setting in dB yet? > If not: To whom do I donate? > > Have been using and loving this part of Herger's MusicInfoSCR plugin > for Classic and Transporter, but as far as I understand this plugin is > not compatible with the Touc

[SlimDevices: Touch] Volume readout in dB?

2010-04-11 Thread Valentino
Is there a way to display the Touch volume setting in dB yet? If not: To whom do I donate? -- Valentino Valentino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevice