Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-07 Thread John Wettroth via TriEmbed
: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 9:43 PM To: Carl Nobile Cc: TriEmbed Subject: Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage @Pete: When you were working on it, did the motor you were using have hall effect sensors in it? That's about all that makes me willing t

Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-07 Thread Rick via TriEmbed
Is there any reason you don't purchase an in-stock BLDC motor driver such as: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/DRV10983SQPWPRQ1?qs=%2Fha2pyFadujPwfH%2FXzivpU8AHrIO6U7ALudxKfjNJze3U2dD%2F68jly3tmYweXSYm Mouser shows 66 in stock, and at $4.61 each. I'm only showing the o

Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-06 Thread Mike Lisanke via TriEmbed
Charlie, You can commutate the motor phase from a rotary encoder. No need for Hall effect sensors. Just phase lock to a zero point and know (measure) the 120 degree phase angles. I did much open loop motor control at IBM. It wasn't difficult and we did it with very simple controllers. It does pay

Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-06 Thread Charles West via TriEmbed
@Pete: When you were working on it, did the motor you were using have hall effect sensors in it? That's about all that makes me willing to try this. In the worse case, I should be able to fall back to trapezoidal control based off of the hall effect sensors without any sort of fancy estimation.

Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-05 Thread Carl Nobile via TriEmbed
So my bad, I read Charlie's email and missed the brushless part. I must have brushes in my mind. So brushless DC motors are actually 3 phase synchronous AC motors, So three different PWM modulators are needed for each motor. Each PWM is 120 degrees out of sync with the others. and there can be abs

Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-05 Thread Pete Soper via TriEmbed
I once got the idea I could control a brushless motor by being "clever" controlling set of drivers. I was mistaken. Without some means of sensing the behavior of the motor, whether it be back EMF or some other feedback it's about 99% of hopeless. Which is to say I was too stubborn to give up an

Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-05 Thread R Radford via TriEmbed
Carl, Charles is looking for a brushless controller, not just a DC motor driver. Brushless motors are closer to a stepper motor than a regular DC motor, but the 'steps' are controlled by sensing hall effect sensors to know when to step to keep the motor running smoothly. They are great as they hav

Re: [TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-05 Thread Carl Nobile via TriEmbed
Charly, There are a few solutions to the controller problem. I designed an analog PWM circuit using op-amps and comparators that works great. You would also need an H-Bridge you would then need just one MCU board to control the PWM circuits then then control the H-Bridge circuits. My design is at:

[TriEmbed] Designing a brushless motor controller during the chip shortage

2021-10-03 Thread Charles West via TriEmbed
Hello all! For the past 5 years or so, I've been working on a open source low cost sidewalk delivery robot. The current draft (prototype picture: http://goodbot.ai/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=mk3draft1.jpg) has 4 hoverboard style motors in a skid steer arrangement. Each robot will need 4 motor contr