Re: [Trisquel-users] I tried to upgrade, now some packages are broken, but I can't fix them because some packages are broken. I'm stuck in a loop.

2015-10-17 Thread lovexdrew
PSA: NOBODY UPGRADE YOUR TRISQUEL INSTALLS! I rebooted. EVERYTHING IS BROKEN NOW! Icecat and abrowser are both gone. Wallpaper won't come back. ALL icons are broken, I can't take any screenshots because it won't let me create any new files, wifi is gone, the login screen is mostly gone, and

Re: [Trisquel-users] I tried to upgrade, now some packages are broken, but I can't fix them because some packages are broken. I'm stuck in a loop.

2015-10-17 Thread lovexdrew
I should also add that some of my icons are broken now.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread brian
Ah. Ok. I imagined there was some kind of delimiter required. Didn't think to do it that way. Well that works then. So my grub file works now. Of course - it didn't resolve the problem. Had a hunch it wouldn't. I will attempt the kernel thing tomorrow morning. Just to confirm the version

Re: [Trisquel-users] I tried to upgrade, now some packages are broken, but I can't fix them because some packages are broken. I'm stuck in a loop.

2015-10-17 Thread lovexdrew
I did do that, I just excluded it because it was like 200 extra lines of text and I thought everyone knew to to that anyway.

Re: [Trisquel-users] I tried to upgrade, now some packages are broken, but I can't fix them because some packages are broken. I'm stuck in a loop.

2015-10-17 Thread jason
Your logs starts with apt-get upgrade. Do apt-get update first and always before doing apt-get upgrade.

[Trisquel-users] I tried to upgrade, now some packages are broken, but I can't fix them because some packages are broken. I'm stuck in a loop.

2015-10-17 Thread lovexdrew
I just tried to upgrate my system and then started getting some errors, which I can't fix because of the errors. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3y8YpWBT I tried going into synaptic and filtering by all broken packages, but it just continues to show all potential packages in the repo like it doe

[Trisquel-users] Re : Executable script won't execute in panel

2015-10-17 Thread lcerf
Have you tried to create a launcher from the "Main Menu" utility (in the "System settings") with the path to the executable script as the "command"? You could then try to drag it from the menu and drop it onto the panel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread chris
It could be a typo-error somebody made. If they went and used another model as a template for instance they might have accidentally only selected part of the text to replace and thats how come you saw this.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread freeworld4
Does this apply to radeon ati express 200m gpu?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with access to trisquel site

2015-10-17 Thread david
Ok, I've finished checking all the accounts and I think I have reactivated all affected users. If you have received an email notifying you that an administrator has activated your account, just like if you had registered today, that's because it had been improperly blocked because of this iss

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel+orca Tutorial/walk-through podcast, ep.4 is up

2015-10-17 Thread gromobir
Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Well, in that case it would really help to test with a total newbie. I know that there is a community for blind GNU/Linux users (http://leb.net/blinux/). That would maybe be a good place to ask.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with access to trisquel site

2015-10-17 Thread david
I'm deeply sorry, I made the change to the setup of the antispam system which is causing this trouble; it was not working properly so we were getting dozens of bad registrations daily, but the "fix" which made it work properly has also blocked access to many of you. I've changed the setup a

[Trisquel-users] Re : Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread lcerf
There are instructions in Trisquel's documentation too: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/update-linux-libre-kernel

[Trisquel-users] Problems with access to trisquel site

2015-10-17 Thread santi
Hi We are aware than some users are being blocked of the trisquel site, due to a change to catch spammers. We are investigating it, and in the meanwhile, you can send a mail to i...@trisquel.info with your username, or join the #trisquel irc channel and ask for unblock.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel+orca Tutorial/walk-through podcast, ep.4 is up

2015-10-17 Thread Dave Hunt
I'm a blind person who installed by just following the instructions from Orca, so, Yes! Maybe we need to find a total newbie as a research subject; I've the curse of knowledge. LOL. On 10/17/2015 12:20 PM, gromo...@web.de wrote: > Just one question I'm asking myself right now: Would it be possi

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
go on the jxself's website and follow instructions. If you can read and copy-paste in the terminal, you'll have no issues. If you have doubts/questions feel free to ask. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
lembas: first of all I am not recommending anything. Period. >If you install in expert mode, the Debian installer will ask you whether you'd like to add contrib and non-free. That's another pair of shoes. >In Iceweasel if you goto where ever > addons > get addons, you get to the Mozilla ad

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread albin
It's really not that difficult to add jxself's repository and install a new version of Linux. Linux is just one component that is easily replaced. Reinstalling Trisquel would be much more difficult and it would probably not help you.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Alternate proposal for FCC's (indirect) ban on free software : require the release of code

2015-10-17 Thread lcerf
I think you make a confusion between the MAC address (layer 2 of the OSI model) and the IP address (level 3 of the OSI model)?

[Trisquel-users] Re : The issue of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread lcerf
Indeed. Debian GNU/Linux shipped systemd in stable some five months ago. Other mainstream distributions (Fedora, Arch, Mageia, Open SUSE, etc.) adopted it years ago. Have you seen users *trying* systemd and ranting about it (other than saying "you need to learn the new commands") since then?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread vitacell
Yes, three different GPU series.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
Change it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset" I have edited the wiki, is it any clearer now? Then sudo update-initramfs -u and so on and so forth. Good luck!

[Trisquel-users] Re : Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread lcerf
Write: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"

Re: [Trisquel-users] New GNU ethical criteria for code repositories emphasize privacy, freedom, and copyleft

2015-10-17 Thread chris
Yea- read my comment above. A decentralized and distributed equivalent to github could probably be developed. Some of the mechanisms are still in there infancy which would be needed for it to work in a reliable way. For example integrating a bitcoin-like system into distributed systems to rew

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread brian
On the kernel suggestion - all that terminal work looks a little daunting for the uninitiated. I have just started with xterm, and those instructions are kind of intimidating. Can this not be done through the software updater? Or, my install is fresh and there's nothing special going on with

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread brian
Lembas: It reads right now: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" "nomodeset" That seems to be correct, because when I command it to update it's telling me it can't find that nomodeset file.

Re: [Trisquel-users] New GNU ethical criteria for code repositories emphasize privacy, freedom, and copyleft

2015-10-17 Thread chris
I think the most critical thing is not who hosts it, as censored projects can move elsewhere already (even though there are also 'accidental' issues), but an educational campaign on how to sign commits. That said this doesn't mean decentralization isn't important. I think we do need to decent

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel+orca Tutorial/walk-through podcast, ep.4 is up

2015-10-17 Thread gromobir
I don't have time to listen to all the episodes but what I've heard sounds really nice. Well done, Dave! :-) Just one question I'm asking myself right now: Would it be possible for a blind person to install Trisquel by just following your podcast and the instructions from the Orca screenreade

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
Sounds like you didn't read the logs or try manually loading the module. Dunno if the latter is even possible in this case. If you install in expert mode, the Debian installer will ask you whether you'd like to add contrib and non-free. In Iceweasel if you goto where ever > addons > get add

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
It never suggested to install the firmware for my ATI crap. I assure you of that! I never saw the deblobbed Debian kernel or any other part of Debian recommend the installation of the ati blob or mention the non-free firmware. But maybe I'm an exception to this. I don't know that.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
Onpon - that's correct. You can clearly see the "missing firmware" on boot on the Debian kernel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The issue of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
I see no problem in systemd - it's free software, well tested. I have it on Debian and I'm fine with it. If you run servers you need to learn a lot of new things but if you use it on a home installation and do basic stuff as I do, you'll feel no difference at all other than a quite faster boo

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
Latest kernel as pointed out may help a lot. welcome to the libre world!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread onpon4
You are clearly confused. Radeon, Intel GMA, and Intel HD are three completely different series of GPUs. Radeon is from AMD, and the other two are from Intel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Validation of Trisquel ISO image files using MD5SUM.

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
If I want to call Microshits Guinblobs like I just did, that should offend no one. And if it does, frankly I don't care. The malicious and unethical business they've been known for decades now deserves no respect at all. I wish them all the worst of luck and hope they bankrupt. The world woul

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread nishihai
But I saw a type of Radeon video card named as " Intel Radeon GMA HD 4000" or something... on THinkpad S3 serial...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread nishihai
Gracias, guys. So the difference is slight: just the notification/reference. But I (seems) did not encounter the notice from the Debian installation when my wireless card did not fit to the free firmware... I didn't install the nonfree firmware, so it was equivalent to the linux-libre kern

Re: [Trisquel-users] The issue of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread nishihai
Really~ Gracias. I knew a bit of the systemd debate and would like to hear more. My motivation was just the habit of mine and it (may) runs faster.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The issue of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread greatgnu
Hi. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd#Installing_systemd on IRC freenode server -> #systemd After all the people ranting about it and asking for instructions to remove systemd from their distro I find it so cool that you are asking help to achieve the opposite, that is, installing systemd on

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread vitacell
Only AMD makes a trash hardware, CPUs and GPUs. Everything garbage.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread albin
Welcome to the free software community, Brian! I have found that most suspend/resume issues are magically solved when installing a more recent kernel, such as linux-libre 4.1. I would recommend that you follow the instructions here. Scroll down to the heading "Using jxself's repository". Wh

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
Hello! This /proc/cmdline is just the file. To see what's in it youcat /proc/cmdline The sudo command gives you super user powers. Hence https://xkcd.com/149/ So, how exactly does your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line read at the moment?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread onpon4
To clarify, when Linux is missing a firmware file that's needed for some hardware available, an error message is printed showing the name of the firmware file. Linux-libre removes these references, but a side effect of this is that it can't even load the firmware if it's available. Debian's

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
It does. Load a module that requires a proprietary firmware. Only Linux-libre will not suggest you install such.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
You make it sound like that's by design. It's not. In fact it is a bug, a very low priority one. AFAIK

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread shiretoko
I doubt that the kernel is suggesting anything... rather some software of the actual Debian System.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread davesamcdxv
Linux-libre is the only one of the 2 programmed to refuse to run non-free firmware (whether or not that's DRM is up for debate IM(H)O)

Re: [Trisquel-users] New GNU ethical criteria for code repositories emphasize privacy, freedom, and copyleft

2015-10-17 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
I do agree that this is an issue. Centralized things in the Internet are always bad. We must find a way to have decentralized (and preferably, federated) software development. I prefer them to be federated because, that way, a member of a project can join other projects without registration and w

Re: [Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread brian
whoa. I took out the space AND the comma and got this: bj@bj-Latitude-D610:/etc/default$ sudo update-grub Generating grub configuration file ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-lowlatency Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-39-lowlatency No volume groups found done did that

[Trisquel-users] Help

2015-10-17 Thread Jim Fulner
-- Jim Fulner Proudly supporting Free Software Sent from my Android/Linux device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On October 13, 2015 11:45:34 PM EDT, trisquel-users-requ...@listas.trisquel.info wrote: >Send Trisquel-users mailing list submissions to > trisquel-users@listas.trisq

Re: [Trisquel-users] New GNU ethical criteria for code repositories emphasize privacy, freedom, and copyleft

2015-10-17 Thread bob
Yes, but at this point in time, I can't trust most of the free software that I use due to the fact that a) most developers don't sign their code b) centralized source code hosting providers have been known to remove or censor repositories c) most of us don't have time to do a full audit in th

[Trisquel-users] Know-nothingh Noob trying to troubleshoot suspend/hibernate issues

2015-10-17 Thread brian
Hello Trisquel Forum: Your patience please, I'm making the commitment to ditch all my Microsoft Windows crap. I've had quite enough of that outfit. My problem is I know pretty much nothing about unix and my old, calcified brain is not very absorbent anymore. If there's a newbie forum more s

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread jabjabs
I suppose to real big difference is that the Libre kernel won't recommend any non-free drivers where as the Debian one will. It doesn't included them from the get go and still needs user intervention to install them but Linux-libre won't even do that.

[Trisquel-users] Re : New GNU ethical criteria for code repositories emphasize privacy, freedom, and copyleft

2015-10-17 Thread calinou
Many developers would rather not spend any money, this is why centralized hosting platforms are used. Also, with centralized platforms, you don't need to create an account for each project to report bugs or make pull requests, and the interface is the same.

[Trisquel-users] Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel?

2015-10-17 Thread nishihai
Just as the title: What is the Difference between Linux-libre kernel and Debian (main) kernel? (I mean Debian kernel as from its main repo, not "contrib" nor "nonfree"...

Re: [Trisquel-users] New GNU ethical criteria for code repositories emphasize privacy, freedom, and copyleft

2015-10-17 Thread bob
I think that this is a really bad idea and will only make the centralization problem much worse. Projects should host their own code and not be dependent on services that might sell out, change their tune over time or experience long periods of downtime (I'm looking at you NotABug). By having

[Trisquel-users] Re : Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread calinou
What do you mean? Only AMD makes graphic adapters. However, they can either be integrated (AMD APU) or dedicated (AMD GPU). However, both are called Radeon.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread nishihai
BTW, in this thread discussion, do you guys mean all types of the Radeon video cards? (both AMD, NVIDIA and Intel) Gracias

Re: [Trisquel-users] Validation of Trisquel ISO image files using MD5SUM.

2015-10-17 Thread lap4fsf
>> ^ I like the style of this one X_x Glad to hear that SuperTramp83. [NOTE: TO ANY FORUM MEMBER WHO THINKS I AM **RUDE OR UNPROFESSIONAL** IN NAMING THOSE BIG COPPORATE's BY TWISTING THEIR NAMES] I have no ethical obligation, respect and honour for them, unless they stop their wicked tacti

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/making-radeon-work-again-bringing-back-linux-libre-34#comment-80331

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-17 Thread vitacell
Not, I did not. How to do that right way?