It sees like AMD can't support or release anything "open source" without
half-assing the thing.
As Ruben said at LibrePlanet, Trisquel isn't about the bleeding edge, because
it's the blood of the users. :)
No, not cool. An excuse to spend inhuman level of time in front of a
computer, suffering.
Dragora is tough as nails, requiring you to build everything from source on
top of a system that is not pretty. I couldn't recommend it to myself, and a
recommendation of Dragora is on the level of telling someone to "install
Gentoo". :P
My .02
Why doesn't fedora have good support for AR9170? I thought all that was
kernel-side ... and Fedora keeps very up to date with kernel releases.
He did say "free" also. And while I doubt that RMS would use the big-tent
phrase "free and open source" (that's more of a GNOME/Red Hat identity
marker, and a favorite of mine), he doesn't deny the truth of open source's
benefits, either. He sees the OS movement as lacking, though. For one, o
I kind of doubt that 4chan is the best place for advice on this. But then, I
avoid that dank corner of the interwebs like a cancer.
But yes, Trisquel is fully free, and currently the FSF's preference of OS.
There's a rather high chance that something won't work on your computer,
though ... e
Maybe Creative Commons should compromise and have an optional "source" clause
that can be tacked on to any of its licenses? That would make a lot of people
happy.
I actually stand by RMS, though, in saying that software, being entirely
functional, is head and shoulders above cultural works
Actually, I am finding it difficult to not agree with you now. Providing
source is a major courtesy, and maybe that alone makes the GFDL worth it.
You're right. CC licenses have a far more one-size-fits-all nature. You could
use one for a manual, a film, an image, a song, and the list goes on.
Is the requirement to provide source so critical when the primary aspect of
documentation is text ... which can be copy-pasted anyway?
I agree, that's a huge problem.
Any time someone says that it's under "a Creative Commons license", the right
question to ask is "which one?"
Actually, the GPL isn't good for documentation. It's a software license. The
GPL legally binds one to distribute source code.
Of course, any distribution has plenty of non-GNU "content". Any free
software license is acceptable.
The point is not that it's GNU or even "open source", but that it's free as
in freedom.
CC-BY-SA. Simpler, more popular way to do the same thing (put documentation
under free, copyleft terms)
jxself, they've had a lot of time to relicense, and for a while it's been
apparent that CC-BY-SA is the way to go. Switching to the CC-BY-SA (as
Wikipedia/Wikimedia has done) would have been an all-around good decision,
not a scatterbrained one.
dafuq
Isn't it also true that the GFDL requires the distribution of the entire
license with each copy of the documentation?
I feel that is a little over the top.
I use both services, and yes, it does somewhat bother me that they run on the
back of much less scrupulous search engines. But a search engine, to be
effective, is a tremendous undertaking in code and server-side hosting, and I
doubt either one could make a competent search engine itself.
O
A while back I emailed Stallman about this issue. I asked him why it wasn't
better to license documentation under CC-BY-SA instead, and save the headache
and unnecessary binding conditions that come with GFDL. He said it's better
to use GFDL for compatibility with "our documentation" (as if G
Nah, I don't think even Marc Shuttleworth dreams of swallowing up Fedora and
Debian. Some some even think small is beautiful.
Well, that IS a staggering level of left-over IE6 use in China.
Yeah, that's true. Why not Chromium, in any case, rather than the proprietary
counterpart Chrome?
Armworm,
He said he couldn't get Abrowser (Firefox) to run in his distro before. Now
he can though.
Midori is not crap. It's fast and light, and quite stable. If you are asking
for it to have even more features, then you're already suggesting for it to
leave behind its lightweight credentials.
I agree that Dillo is pretty much useless for modern day use.
Have not heard of NetSurf.
Your distribution includes nonfree software, unlike Trisquel. So, you're
recommending nonfree software at this point.
What Linus Torvalds uses is not relevant here. Linus is not a free software
advocate by any means; he's an open source advocate, and not totally
consistent about that, eithe
While it's encouraging and interesting that plenty of real game development
is going on using HTML5 technologies, I don't think that website has any
requirement for its games to be distributed on free terms. So, I hate to
sound judgmental, but please follow the policy of not recommending nonf
You're right, there is no other organization addressing the specific sets of
issues the FSF is.
"Pirated" is not the correct language to use for software copying, whether
illegal or legal.
But anyway, it's been many years since 1998, and I doubt that Microsoft has
yet figured how to collect on all the illegal copies of Windowz on Chinese
computers. So maybe they had been getting on th
Your point is ?
The video could use some editing. Besides the lack of proper seeking, the
first 20 minutes are deadweight, and there is a lot of background hiss.
I didn't know about BrowserQuest. Awesome.
Honestly, I just haven't considered the issue of open hardware too much. I
can't talk about this capably.
I recommend emailing RMS and having him clear things up for you.
The problem with HTML5 DRM is the problem with DRM: it prevents you from
using software in all the normative ways that you would wish to use it
(denying Freedom 0, freedom to run the program), and of course, it prevents
you from copying/sharing. DRM is a more fundamental, close-to-home freedo
Maybe this Stallman essay will be food for thought:
http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/1999062200505NWLF
In a nutshell, Open Hardware is not nearly as important as Free Software. The
crux of the matter is that copying software is trivial; copying physical
hardware is anything but. But
Or perhaps its a good thing, if you know what I mean!
Go for it, you hero.
Your analysis is sobering.
I agree, the FSF needs to be adopt a more positive plan of action. Most
people aren't swayed by picket-sign activism.
True, Google is not our friend. There's a good reason they never adopted that
"We Are Not Evil" slogan officially.
And as for Mozilla, I think t
For anyone in doubt, here is an example of what can be done with CSS, HTML5,
Javascript, and absolutely NO Flash:
http://opengameart.org/content/castle-defense
Download that zip file, extract it, and run Index.html in your browser.
Enjoy. The cool thing is that this is a game you'll actually
Someone who works on documentation should probably go ahead and make this a
tutorial:
"How to Get the full GNOME 3 Experience in Trisquel"
I think this move on the part of some corporate big players (including, most
scandalously of all, the sometimes FOSS-friendly Google) is a travesty. This
couldn't be more antithetical to the spirit of the Web.
Someone on some comment board said it well: putting DRM in HTML5 is the
surest wa
1. I just about manage to avoid Flash on my computer, using the cute
alternatives you mentioned. All those Flash-based ads I can do without, and I
don't need to play online Flash games when I have plenty of games to install
locally.
2. I didn't say China and the US are on the same level. Re
My reply to both:
1. In fact, even if the OS is 100% free software, all the way down to the
kernel, it's not a GNU-certified free distro unless freedom is actively
promoted. That's because people will not value their freedom unless you
educate them about it. How many Ubuntu users install Ad
If this is true (and I really don't know why), the Chinese government
probably doesn't know it.
Surprising news indeed. This is the last thing I expected to read about
today. :)
It's almost certain that China will try to put malicious features into this
derivative of Ubuntu (and make those proprietary, of course ... how else will
they keep their spyware and malware from being exposed?
It's likely that the nastiness you mention will be sneaked into this
derivative distro, but it won't be making it into the main Ubuntu.
I highly doubt he intended to work that way, though. Editing a text file to
make a score can't be fun ... and it must have a big learning curve!
Denemo is, in fact, a graphical front-end to LilyPond.
My position is this: as long as you know you won't be legally punished for
it, violate software patents whenever you can!
Software patents are unjust, and we should pretend they're not there as long
as it is safe. Ogg and other Xiph formats are better still (in multiple
ways).
Fedora does
As a Fedora user, I can happily confirm the prettiness of GDM in GNOME today.
:)
It's like the Mecca of the free software world. I hope to make a pilgrimage
to LibrePlanet one day, myself. :)
Two other options are GNU Denemo and Rosegarden.
Denemo is good if you don't mind fewer features, the lack of true "WYSIWYG",
or you want a lightweight app (or a GNU app), but Rosegarden, as a score
editor, actually surpasses MuseScore in one way: it quantizes your MIDI
keyboard input on th
You're easily as much of a bore as he is. Easily.
That is all.
Open Source advocate Eric Raymond has criticized RMS for using language that
"simply doesn't persuade anybody" (though he doesn't think RMS' principles
are wrong). I beg to differ: I am a person that he has persuaded, because he
helped me make the connection between the ability to use, study,
I recently re-read Free Software, Free Society, and immensely enjoyed it.
I feel like if Stallman made simple adjustments like not berating people for
asking the question in a somewhat ignorant way, or just grooming (there, I
said it), the message would come across better.
To clarify, the reason you're getting blurry icons is that they're not in the
infinitely scalable SVG format, but a bitmap image format like PNG. I'm not
sure exactly why you're not getting the SVG versions, though.
oysterboy, I don't have that problem with GNOME 3 in Fedora. LibreOffice
icons look fine. Sorry. :/
I've watched an hour recently of a recent speech he did, and his public
speaking was quite good. Does he need courses in something he's done for many
years?
Regarding his personality quirks and prickly opinions, I think it's fine to
poke fun at those things. Ever heard of Richard Stallman F
Gnome Shell gets such a bad rap. Far from being counterproductive to getting
work done, I think it's an improvement in that department. And it's quite
pretty, in a way that isn't too crazy (I'm looking at you, Enlightenment).
With all the extensions, you can still customize it a lot.
Another possible benefit of a well-configured Enlightenment desktop in
Trisquel is that Trisquel could say "we run Enlightnment." There are very few
distros that use it, and only Bodhi and Elive are (semi) well known.
You're awesome for this!
Still quirky after all these years. :P
I'm going to test out Bodhi Linux and get a feel for Enlightenment. Chances
are good I will love it.
Of course, Bodhi doesn't have a policy of only including free software.
I'm going to be open-minded and watch the videos. Enlightenment is the one I
probably know the least about ... I've been avoiding it.
Enlightenment is a window manager, not a full DE, and it's a
counter-intuitive one at that. Avoid.
You're certainly free to install LXDE and boot into that. But keeping the
Mini edition to the same standard of stability as the main edition has always
been a tall order for this project. It's always been riddled with bugs and
oversights, in the versions I've tested.
By Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, AMD might even jump on the bandwagon and offer fully
libre 3D accelaration for their GPUs, too. That would seal the deal for us.
From PC World!
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030851/for-a-fully-free-desktop-os-try-trisquel-gnu-linux-6-0.html
PPAs are something unique to Ubuntu. They're usually more recent versions of
software than is in the repository for that release of Ubuntu (or a
derivative). The other use is to allow a greater variety of software to be
installed than what is packaged in Ubuntu.
Ubuntu still has to prioriti
You can get the more recent version by grabbing the PPA from LaunchPad here:
https://launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/+archive/ppa
Instructions for installing it are on the same web page, under 'Adding this
PPA to your system'
Yeah, Shiki looks very nice.
Whatever we do, I think it'd be better to keep the long-standing Trisquel
look (which is largely borrowed from Elementary), or at least a facsimile of
it.
Clearlooks-Phenix looks WAY too vanilla.
Yeah, having a good calendar functionality is important.
Recently, Xfce has switched to mainly online documentation, in a wiki format.
I would argue that this is the way of the future: collaborative online
documentation. Should we be assuming the possibility that the user doesn't
have an in
My point is that a lot of people would prefer to use GNOME Shell if they can.
That means some users boot into the classic desktop experience based on
Fallback, and others opt into the fairly different GNOME Shell.
Maybe that's a feature and not a problem. I hope that switching to GNOME
Shel
I agree, customization is secondary to a good out-of-the-box user experience
for the largest number of users. Not all of us are named Linus Torvalds (he
currently uses Xfce, btw). I use GNOME 3 with a fairy small number of
extensions ... I have little need to customize it, because it is alrea
"Personally i prefer Gnome shell. Its becoming an strong DE, easy, powerfull
and pretty. I think we have to move forward and continue evolving."
I share your view. I use GNOME shell and like it more than anything else.
It's becoming quite mature now. It is the way forward. We need to ignore t
GNOME 3 Shell requires 3D KMS on your computer to work properly. Not everyone
who runs Linux-libre has that, specifically not people with Radeon GPUs.
Ditto with Unity (and it's even heavier).
KDE is a classic desktop, but it's not a good option for more subtle reasons
(let's start with the
Give me some examples.
Is LXDE really mature enough to be the main Trisquel DE, though?
Like it or not, a genuinely lightweight desktop environment is generally a
recipe for a second-rate user experience. One uses LXDE because she must.
Xfce is more lightweight-ish, with most of the visual candy, features, and
po
No, you've got me wrong.
I am recommending REPLACING the current DE with Xfce. If my idea were
implemented, that would make the current LXDE-based Trisquel Mini edition a
moot point (yes I know it's even lighter, but it just ain't worth it). So,
that's one LESS edition of Trisquel to mainta
Who's with me?
Xfce can be configured to appear and function nearly identically to the
current DE, without much of a feature loss.
Since Xfce is (relatively) lighter than GNOME classic, it would make it
easier to justify a termination of the Mini edition. One edition of Trisquel
for all.
Chris, you're spot on.
Pass the suggestions on to Ruben. I don't go on #trisquel IRC much, and it's
been a long time since I've even used the system. But I do check on this
distro now and again to get the pulse of the fully-free distro movement.
Would you drop Mini if you were Ruben? :)
I do feel like Mini, and lightweight distributions in general, are getting a
bit less relevant than 2010 when Mini debuted.
The generation of computers that required Mini and couldn't run the standard
edition is fast becoming extinct.
A new netboo
There always seem to be major oversights like this with the Mini edition.
Ruben clearly doesn't have enough time to devote to it to make it adhere to
the same standards as Trisquel standard.
I feel like, at the same time he releases the standard edition, he should
announce an official Relea
I for one think it's OK that you're doing this. That's what Free Software is
about.
Just don't expect it to be adopted as an official spin-off. There's always a
thousand and one bugs that come up even when you think you're "done."
I think Ubuntu's drop in popularity has something to do with the fact that a
hundred other distributions are now pretty good for novice-level daily
desktop use ... Ubuntu no longer particularly stands out in that department,
even if it was a global leader a few years ago ("try Ubuntu first" w
Chris,
I think you're on to something, Mint is way ahead of everything else on
DistroWatch right now.
Bit thanks for the correction!
My preferred fix for the Gnash-related choppiness you are experiencing:
Step 1: Install Greasemonkey add-on for the browser
Step 2: Go to greasespot.com and get the ViewTube script
Step 3: Instant "Just Works" on YouTube and many other video sites.
True enough, a risk-taker like Canonical, with the larger world more
concerned about standards and stability, could give us all some "hybrid
vigor".
But I maintain that GNOME 3 Shell >= Unity. Many/most of the things that are
good about Unity apply to GNOME 3 also.
With a LTS schedule, maybe there is now time for Ruben to support a KDE
release officially ... I'd have to guess that this is actually more relevant
than a Mini version.
I agree with you: if you consciously avoid the nonfree stuff that you get
recommended, you're in the clear.
DuckDuckGo is great (mostly). I also recommend StartPage
(https://startpage.com/) as a supplement to DuckDuckGo ... it also doesn't
track you, and you can use it to also search for vi
The point is, since Wayland is dragging its feet (given that it has so damn
much on its plate, to be an X replacement), the best practice would have been
to contribute upstream to the Wayland project. They certainly have the people
and resources to turn that project around. That would have se
Yeah Freed-ora is good (still not sure why Fedora Project didn't include it
as an option, at least), but it does take some know-how to install it
properly.
You're on to something there e.g. does including WINE for running
Windows apps inside GNU/Linux qualify as "recommending"? Well, that's a
borderline case, since most but not ALL Windows apps are proprietary. Should
we assume that the user will inevitably use it to run nonfree ones?
Use Fedora. They're backed by Red Hat, a company that actually still gives
half a damn about "linux" and freedom, the primary Fedora has the GNOME 3
Shell interface which is somewhat similar to Unity/Mac (as pretty, and
lighter to boot), and Fedora has a very strong policy of including only f
It's a bit complicated, but what would frustrate videos more would be to
discover that YouTube (and these other sites) didn't work at all, and then
not have a way to use them without installing proprietary Flash, anyway.
I think we have a clear choice, then.
I think Trisquel's Abrowser should have ViewTube by default. It's that good.
I've played around with the dyne:bolic 3 Live image before, and it was
literally the least elegant, most cobbled-together distro I've ever tried.
For some reason, Jaromil didn't even bother to change the name of the beta
ISO when it was "released."
Better yet, use the ViewTube script. Also Free, also has WebM support by
default, and also lets you download the video in any format and size you
wish.
Well, Trisquel has the net install option...
With an LTS-only schedule, Ruben might have time to also release something a
little better tailored for a server than a simple netinstall image (i.e. a
GLAMP distro). Not everyone who wants to run a server is advanced enough to
work with a netins
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