I would say Parabola is very easy to break though even if you are doing all
the updates upgrades, etc...
Hyperbola though doesn't have a graphical install yet... so that is also
complicated.
Devuan however is childs play for me. :)
Still, I prefer Hyperbola any day of the week.
If Patrick is ok to a rolling system Parabola/OpenRC is also recommended to
him that’s rolling and nosystemd, otherwise please stick to Devuan and
Hyperbola those are LTS and nosystemd. I use both of Parabola/OpenRC, Devuan,
Hyperbola which I’m easy going alongside rolling and LTS systems.
I need to here remind Patrick once if you dnt want systemd you need to
instead install Parabola, Devuan, Hyperbola, which I need to admit that
systemd is quite complicated to config, with Parabola, Devuan, Hyperbola you
will have a simple and modern init system named OpenRC under FreeBSD
My concern is that Uruk may not get cirtified, it's Trisquel with a slightly
different ui.
Jodiendo la bandera la puso ahí porque me gustó la calavera. No del PIP son
unos cobardes vendidos. Nacionalista sangre o libertad
Freenix applied back in March 1, 2016 but were denied because the first name
was similar to Slackware. The first name was FreeSlack. So they changed the
name and they are waiting for the approval. They are still under the review
process. That information was posted on their forum.
Off-topic, but I notice there are now a number of libre distros that aren't
in the FSF list, including FreeNix and ConnochaetOS mentioned here, as well
as Uruk, Hyperbola, and Heads:
https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
Is this because they don't meet the criteria, or because the
GNU-BORICUA
QUE ES ESO?
LA CABEZA CALABERA DE TU ICONO! PREFIERO la banderita pipiola! LOL\
nO LO SUENES TAN ALTO EL DISPARATE PIPIOLO!
lol
que viva la estadidad 51!!
There is also ConnochaetOS which is supposed to be a liberated
Slackware/Salix
https://connochaetos.org/wiki/home
> Devuan actually booted faster on a 20 year old
> libreboot laptop. for me also. (X200)
The X200 is 10 years old, not 20. The X60 is 12 years old, and it has worked
fine for me both with Upstart on Trisquel 7 and systemd on Trisquel 8. I
haven't tried any other init systems, although I'm
No, FreeNix is a good idea.
I am mixed up. What is biased? FreeNix? It seems like a good idea...
I have too, Devuan actually booted faster on a 20 year old libreboot laptop.
for me also. (X200)
I am hesitant to say more given the furher has many servants here at this
point.
I would prefer not to start another thread war over this, but yeah, I highly
doubt its worth it.
This feels too biased for me. Sometimes people do after all, try to save face
by showing faultly information. I could be wrong of course, but yeah... don't
trust it myself.
You can try Freenix (used to be FreeSlack) if you want a libre-sytem and
systemd free. However, you have to comfortable dealing with a package manager
that do not resolve dependencies.
I suppose they might have made improvements since I learned of that tidbit,
The only thing is, people should be able to switch init systems if they want
on debian. And, some people want to do that and others are willing to do the
work. Though I have witnessed first hand how hard it is, to
BTW for anyone interested, this forum has already discussed the systemd wars
in some details here:
https://trisquel.info/en/comment/reply/23010/120736
even do systemd IS PART AND APROVE BY fsf is not that popular as systenini is
at the same time part of FSF IS ALL ABOUT DEVELOPERS PREFER USAGE. mE, iM
STILL USE SYSTEINI BECAUSE ITS MORE SIMPLE AND IT TAKES LESS HARD DRIVE
SPACE. CALL ME OLD FASHION, BUT LOOK AT THE CODE OF WRITING USING
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#Why_Debian_should_default_to_systemd
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
"Embedded systems benefit from speed improvements, shell-less design, ability
to remove optional components, and lower memory footprint."
>Yes, that is also my thought. I don't really understand why
>debian switched to it, given that it isn't as good for older
>hardware. meh... what can you do I suppose...
I've used systemd on a 10 year old librebooted laptop and never had a
problem. What is old hardware for you and what do you
> I don't really understand why debian switched to it, given that it isn't as
good for older hardware.
What init system you use has nothing to do with hardware support. That is the
kernel (Linux) and the kernel alone.
As for not understanding why Debian switched to it, perhaps that should
Not everyone "Rejects systemd" as you say, some just don't want it while
others are just frustrated that they have trouble escaping it.
Yes there are people who are harsh on it, but the reverse is also true.
Systemd people sometimes cannot stand people critcizing it. whether they
support
This I agree with 100% Hyperbola is although a bit strange, the best way
forward if you want to recieve updates regularly without systemd being in the
way.
ps, they do have systemd dummy packages but no, they are not real. its only
so you can use gnome 3 and other stuff.
;)
"I see systemd as solving a problem
I don't have."
Yes, that is also my thought. I don't really understand why debian switched
to it, given that it isn't as good for older hardware. meh... what can you
do I suppose...
Going by your forum picture, you don't look a day over 30 ;P
Linked from the second of those links (and probably also the first),
rebuttals to most of the major anti-systemd talking points, written by
members of the systemd team:
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
I strongly recommend reading this in full, after reading a few
Hi Stypey
WHy did I bring up lilo? That was dumb! Heee hee, I am 42
-Patrick
There is a saying that any new technology that comes out before you turn
30 is the greatest thing ever, and any that comes out after you turn 30
is a pointless disruption and probably the end of civilization. Most of
your post gives me the impression you are over 30 (as am I) ;-P
>> Just to add
Hi, thanks for responding to my post.
The other Trisquel member sent some good links.
Just to add to the content of these, I see systemd as solving a problem
I don't have.
I am just a regular guy, I am open minded with most things and I don't
think anyone would consider my social or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Criticism
http://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/
Patrick, I've read some commentary from both sides of the Systemd wars and
its all seems like a storm in a teacup to me. The anti-Systemd rants often
remind me of the the anti-GNU/ anti-FSF fanatics I find on sites like this:
https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/making-haiku-free-software/3084
>I want to stay as pure unix as possible, or as possible as
>this can be with Linux which is not pure unix either.
GNU/Linux
AMOF, GNU's Not Unix.
Hyperbola is the closest you will find to updated Trisquel without systemd -
it is based on Arch (with Debian patches) without being a rolling release, so
packages will usually only receive security updates and long term versions
are preferred (e.g. a libre version of Iceweasel ESR as
Maybe, rather than rejecting systemd, you should ask systemd users for help
on how to do the things you haven't figured out. To my knowledge, systemd
includes the most advanced and efficient init system out there, and that's
why the vast majority of distros have chosen to use it.
Hi Mason
This is very helpful. I feel silly now but I thought that Trisquel has
already made the switch to systemd. If I can buy myself another year to
think this over, why not. I will re-install Trisquel and remain at 7 for
as long as I can. In a years time there might also be an easy path
It seems that Trisquel does not generally remove or replace anything from
Ubuntu unless it is proprietary or facilitates installing proprietary software.
Since systemd is free software, it will probably be present in Trisquel as long
as it is present in Ubuntu, starting with Trisquel 8.
If
Hi Everyone
I have been using Trisquel since version 5. I have been very-very happy
with the project. However I moved to Salix recently. The Slackware
universe has not and will not adopt systemd. The FSF is not upset about
systemd because it's free software. There might not be moral reasons
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