Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-05-02 Thread abrahimjack
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Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-26 Thread magicbanana
We should indeed be worried by any proprietary format that becomes popular. However I do not think iWork's popularity is not anywhere near MS Office's popularity (remembering that most of the world cannot afford Apple's expensive products). The free world managed to reduce the use of MS

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-26 Thread lev . lazinskiy
@Magic Banana - Thank you for your reply - Sorry about the mix up - I am actually pretty new to Mathematica. I did try out Maxima before - it works well. And just to note that Mathematica is Available for Linux, but its not free software. Also, I think its AWESOME that you only accept free

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-26 Thread tegskywalker
In more Apple news, I just came across this story about Apple's Foxconn factory in China having issues with a quote by Apple: We've known about labor abuses in some factories for four years, and they're still going on,' former Apple executive says, 'Why? Because the system works for us'

[Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread tegskywalker
As you know, iWork for the Mac doesn't save in OpenDocument format and the .pages format is pretty much unreadable by anyone that doesn't have the software. If you happen to come across this format, you may get lucky if you open up the file as a .zip file and can extract a PDF preview. Of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
The Microsoft docx, xlsx, whateverx formats are not any better than their old formats, both are proprietary secrets, despite the new ones being ISO standardized, [http://www.noooxml.org/ shame on you ISO]! [http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument OpenDocument] is obscure to 99% of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread tegskywalker
I just read a story at http://www.businessinsider.com/ibm-cisco-red-hat-sap-join-forces-to-combat-amazons-cloud-success-2012-1 about why Amazon, Apple and Microsoft are locking people into their cloud. They don't want you to easily switch to a competitor and you are locked into their

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread jwest184
Yeah,this kind of news is troublesome. That's why its so important to do what we can to support free software. Trisquel and the other libre distros are doing an awesome job in keeping the choice of free computing alive. Stallman and others have done a lot. I likely wouldn't have even known

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread lev . lazinskiy
I am an apply convert - and I used iWork for quite some time. I have always been frustrated with the blatant incompatibility that the program has with anything other than iWork. At my school we are forced to use MS word for various statistical applications (Excel + Macros) because the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread tegskywalker
The situation you described about your professor shows that vendor lock-in starts at the schools. Microsoft and Apple know this and why they push so hard to give schools discounts with their software if money is an issue. Whether it is kindergarten or grad school, the staff is trained on the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread lev . lazinskiy
I agree and its a real shame that this is the way things are. The sad thing is that the subject we are working on (Physics Lab) is interesting, and useful. We are using Excel in ways that I didn't even know existed. But there is absolutely no reason why this cannot be done in any other

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple has really irked me with iCloud and iWork regarding OpenDocument

2012-01-25 Thread tegskywalker
My university education was in English Lit, so I'm not too familiar with macros in Excel for Physics. On the other hand if I was a teacher, I would offer my students a copy of a free word processor (either LibreOffice or Abiword) to do their papers in if they didn't have Office. If I was a