Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-09 Thread pc . athome
I thought Lemote hardware was effectively FSF hardware - or has Mr. Stallman missed some proprietary stuff with his: http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-09 Thread chris
The old model was free software friendly. The closest thing short of the ben nanonote. The problem is it is a netbook, slow, dated, etc. Not something really useful for the majority. The ben nanonote is a small pocket device. Closest thing we've seen to 100% free software friendly system.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-06 Thread stask
This is something I do not understand, we start to fall behind the mainline. How much of a delay is there in reality? I am not a programmer and do not understand the implication.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-06 Thread stask
I will go over (read and ponder) in detail your link. I've read it more than once in the past and I do not understand some parts. It is not a philosophical break; I do not know the details and the significance of the choices regarding some items due to my non-engineering background and

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-06 Thread chris
He probably has a valid point here. It's sort of like Rubén's (Trisquel's lead developer) need to download Ubuntu and patches go upstream (Ubuntu) that aren't specific to Trisquel. As far as end-users go I don't think there is any real need.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-06 Thread gramex
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-05 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Looks like it uses the Linux kernel with blobs and all. Perhaps it requires some of those blobs to work? I'll email him and ask about that.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-05 Thread chris
(*) require a closed-source firmware blob, but the system is functional and bootable without the blob. Not sure how much more free software friendly this actually is or isn't. I also noticed one of the wifi/bluetooth cards he links to is almost certainly dependent on non-free firmware.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-05 Thread stask
I am not familiar with those details, and not knowledgeable enough in hardware or software to know how that fits in exactly, however I will add that the chip itself has something like 6000 pages of open documentation and the boot is or can be done via u-boot.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-05 Thread stask
Someone brought that up re: WiFi in the comments and other cards are available and can be changed because the computer is made to easily come apart. Initially he doesn't intend to make many units and has suggested that orders be done via github and code, sort of a hackers only thing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-05 Thread whitepalm
What is open source?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-05 Thread jason
I am disappointed to learn that proprietary software is involved. We in the free software community should have higher standards. I think this is a good starting point for a minimum level of free that should be expected: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/criteria

Re: [Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-05 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Since they billed the machine open laptop I wrote to Bunnie: I see you're using the vanilla Linux kernel with blobs and all. Are you aware of the Linux-libre project which is Linux minus the binary blobs? Have you tried whether Novena runs on Linux-libre? If it does, it would surely make

[Trisquel-users] Novena laptop will be open source

2013-10-04 Thread stask
Split this off from my original thread https://trisquel.info/en/forum/some-current-free-software-friendly-hardware as this is worth watching on its own. -- Every element of the Novena laptop will be open source. Idea originated here in December 2012: