Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-21 Thread gustavo_cm
Both commands were typed equal.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-20 Thread chris
I can think of a number of people who have contributed over the past year. A lot of them were just persistent. Ruben still did all the real work (ie not everybody mind you, some I think did some work) so to say you can't make a difference is ridicules. I believe Ruben's on IRC all the time

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread legimet . calc
That's what it says here. We will publish point releases every 6 months including all improvements done to the system in that time.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread tegskywalker
It just shows there is no clear leadership or direction for this project. People want updated ISOs because it contains newer kernels and the current ISO is over a year old. Their requests get ignored, the 6.01 ISO is stuck in testing limbo, and who knows if it is ever made official down the

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread jason
It just shows there is no clear leadership or direction for this project. Becuase of the when it's ready policy? Please note that the Debian Project has the same policy. If you wish to criticize Trisquel for a lack of an exact date it seems you must also criticize the Debian Project as well.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread tegskywalker
Ruben makes the final decisons on things no matter how much you contribute. You could spend all that work patching something and there is NO guarantee in if he will put it in there or not. Heck, most of us don't know where he is most of the time. There's also people who aren't as technical

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread jason
Ruben makes the final decisons on things no matter how much you contribute. You could spend all that work patching something and there is NO guarantee in if he will put it in there or not. Yes, and many projects use the benevolent dictator model so that's completely irrelevant. My point,

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread legimet . calc
I've tried to contribute through the issue tracker, but am being ignored. I didn't know about trisquel-devel. Is that the proper place to contribute?

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread jason
Thanks for reporting bugs helping to make Trisquel better. If you were to make a helper to modify, say, vpb-driver-source it would probably be best to submit that there.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-19 Thread tegskywalker
The problem is that contributors aren't being compensated financially for their work and Ruben probably will not share that with anyone even if they handle a huge chunk of his work. The benevolent dictator model is hurting the free software ecosystem in general because it causes others who

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread shiretoko
Don't know why the dns problem should become any better just because it's not inherited from ubuntu.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread chris
The problem with saying Trisquel is a one-man show is that there are other people involved. Frequently indirectly. Trisquel takes the work of Canonical and fixes it essentially. Then there is Jason who maintains a wonderful repository. While outside of the distribution it enables people to

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread stask
t3g, You say a community user is often told to fix it himself. Sounds like you have experienced this yourself here? If so, what is the background. I haven't noticed such treatment around here. Also, what is with the urgency of your needing an ASAP new release of Trisquel as if something

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread shiretoko
Yeah it's a bit like with ubuntu. The community should please contribute but all decisions are made by one person.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread legimet . calc
The 6.0.1 iso still isn't the one on the download page, and last time I checked, it still didn't contain the saucy lts enablement stack. One problem I have with contributing is that very few people look at the issue tracker and try to fix anything (except for Spammers be gone). This makes

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread jason
The 6.0.1 iso still isn't the one on the download page because it's not released yet.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread jason
Did I say it was? No. It's good to be clear on where problems come from and not mis-attribute them. Not saying you did but this commonly comes up in discussions about Trisquel being based on Ubuntu.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread legimet . calc
Is there any estimated release date? Updated isos are supposed to be released every 6 months, and it's been over a year now.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread arielxgbarton
It was a mistake. These things happen.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-18 Thread jason
Updated isos are supposed to be released every 6 months I'm not sure where that came from. AFAIK, Trisquel has no specific release date, instread doing it when it's ready. Seems like a good date for 6.0.1 as well as 7.

[Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread chris . arijs
I know the topic is closed, but i want to come back at this issue. r Stallman calls Ubuntu ( after Ubuntu 12.04 ) spyware ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc) but what about Trisquel. Every website i visit is by default send to the DNS-servers of Google. I think Google is more

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I take it you're talking about this thread https://trisquel.info/en/forum/you-might-be-using-google-name-server As quidam commented there, it was a mistake that's been fixed. To get rid of the google dns, edit these files as super user and remove the line with

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread tegskywalker
Isn't the new 6.01 ISO supposed to fix this in addition to having the Saucy kernel and Xserver updates. We are getting to a point where an official release needs to happen ASAP as the current ISO is over a year old at this point.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread shiretoko
I know it was a mistake, but it's one of a few really serious ones... google dns, running ssh etc. I think one active developer is just not enough for maintaining a secure system.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread magicbanana
It sure helps although more developers usually mean a finer division of the work and not people checking each other's works. E.g., Debian, the largest free software project, had a critical bug in OpenSSL for two years:

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread jason
Yes, exactly, so let's stop the FUD please. The Google DNS thing, for example, wasn't even inherited from Ubuntu. It had nothing to do with Trisquel being based on Ubuntu, has been fixed, and now it's time to move on. I really don't want this to turn into another thread of people trying to

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez Baca
El lun 17 mar 2014 21:34:46 ECT, ja...@bluehome.net escribió: has been fixed, It has not. Yesterday I had to remove it manually from an updated installation. -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez 600 8579 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread onpon4
Doing a regular upgrade, or grabbing a new CD image and doing a clean install with it? No upgrade ever changes config settings; that would be a terrible behavior of the upgrade system (imagine finding that all of your bookmarks were lost because it was decided that the default settings

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread jason
this was not a problem that could be fixed with upgrades. Yes, exactly.

Re: [Trisquel-users] R Stallman and Trisquel (google)

2014-03-17 Thread tegskywalker
Many free software projects that are one developer don't thrive. Especially when the developer has a full time job and the project is secondary. The most successful free software/open source projects are backed by a commercial entity or are established enough to make their money as part of a