Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-13 Thread calmstorm
I didn't realize that was the issue. Okay, you have a point. Never is it good to steer people towards proprietary crap. Even if its optional. As Stallman says, optionally free is not enough. Though in today's day and age it would be awesome just to have optionally free hardware. That's

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-13 Thread jason
Thanks for reporting the bug. It's # 23918 right here: https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23918 You should also send an email about it to report-nonf...@fsf.org and get a GNU Buck for your efforts signed by RMS. More information about GNU Bucks are at

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-13 Thread jaumetbb
I know you are into Trisquel 8 final steps, and I am glad to see that you have this problem in mind, but Trisquel 7 has this problem. Is there a way to solve it? (Will any developer try to solve it). I would try to do if I had the skills and the time (I have none, I'm afraid).

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-13 Thread jason
There was a discussion of that on the gnu-linux-libre mailing list. The thread was "programming language package manager" if anyone wants to read it. TL;DR: It's not any different and, to the extent that language-specific package managers contain non-free software, this same issue is raised

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-13 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
> How is this any different to pip or easy_install? As far as I know, it's not different from these, because all of those three have external default repositories. Perhaps we have to seek help from other free/libre system distribution projects since these patches might be useful to all these

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-13 Thread alonivtsan
How is this any different to pip or easy_install?

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread jason
Exactly. So this should be reported as a bug in the bug tracker against Trisquel 8.

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread jason
Ah, I see that's already been done: https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23918 So, 'nuff said. Thanks for reporting this!

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread J.B. Nicholson
calmst...@posteo.de wrote: Hate to break it to you all, but gdebi and dpkg can be used to install propietary software  also... The issue is not whether a program can be used to install proprietary software. The issue is whether a program comes configured by default to "steer users towards

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread calmstorm
Hate to break it to you all, but gdebi and dpkg can be used to install propietary software also...

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread mason
It works (see screenshot). Spotify and other proprietary software are also recommended in Gnome Software Center (see other screenshot). I reported the latter as a licensing issue https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23466 months ago, but had not actually attempted installing any proprietary to

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread Caleb Herbert
enduz...@riseup.net wrote .. > I now have Spotify. All it takes 'snap install spotify'. Trisquel 8. Wut. Screenshot?

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread enduzzer
One only needs to install snapd, which is in the repos, and then install the snap. That’s it. Installing anything proprietary has never been easier than this. There’s Skype a few commands away. Not quite loke one would expect from a free libre distro. And yes, it’s T8. I swear, untinkered.

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
> I now have Spotify. All it takes 'snap install spotify'. Trisquel 8. If your copy of SNAP really came from Trisquel 8, and you manage to install Spotify by doing `snap install spotify' without needing to add any other repository/store/whatever, then this installation of Spotify *is* a bug. The

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread enduzzer
I now have Spotify. All it takes 'snap install spotify'. Trisquel 8.

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread onpon4
Snap was the bane of my existence on Ubuntu 16.04. I couldn't figure out a way to disable it, and Software includes Snap packages (without an option to turn them off), so any time I tried to find a program that way I'd be inundated with proprietary Snap packages.

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread enduzzer
Why does it point to Skype and Spotify, then?

Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread jason
Obviously, if snap is available in Trisquel 8, then it'll point to a place managed by the Trisquel project and subject to all of the same policy criteria: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html

[Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!

2018-03-12 Thread jaumetbb
Hi all. Recently I installed snapd on my T7 machine. I was just curious. I could install LibreOffice 6 without a hassle, and that was fine... But, then I started looking at snapd docs and words like "store" instead of "repository" began to lit my screen... and I thought that it could be a