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YES THERE IS A STEP ABOVE ETICS! ETICCS IS STILL A GAME! ABOVE
POSTULATES IS: LIFE AS IT IS! NOTHINGNESS NO POSTULATES AT ALL JUST
KNOW ALL IS JUST PERFECT AS IT IS!
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 03:26:59 -0700
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Just curious you wrote:
It is up to each individual to be free of games and have their
Ethics in to avoid catching themselves up with out-Ethics and
having motivators.
Is not having ethics in and being free of games impossible? Ethics
involves games right?
Sent from my iPhone
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Hi Pete and All,
This data from LRH is very true. From my 1st hand experience on
the SHSBC I know that this tech is was just not being applied in 86
to 90 and certainly beyond 90. I was an excellent auditor and did
many sec checks. Cos at Pac Base even tossed top Int Execs in my
lap. All were handled by me to big wins. I had one really tough
Ethics SO who had written up over a 1000 pages of overts. I
changed the O/W procedure upon my request and approval by the C/S
and actually put back in what had been taken out of the process and
cracked his case. I put back in also running responsibility.
I know this tech very very well.
Keep on TROMming, Paul
ps: One factor everyone should realize is that any cause is always
an overt of some nature. But when the cause/overt is out ethics,
it of course is evil and out-ethics. Therefore realize that overts
and motivators are what makes the MEST/physical universe go-round.
It is up to each individual to be free of games and have their
Ethics in to avoid catching themselves up with out-Ethics and
having motivators. One does have that freedom of choice but one is
only fully capable of making the in-Ethics choice once one is Clear
and free of Games Conditions. Free from the compulsive responses
of the mind. Remember, the greatest good for the greatest number
of Dynamics and that to withhold is an OT ability.
On Feb 7, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi all
Dennis gives details about the E-Meter needle movements but
doesn't say much about high or low Tone Arm readings. Here is the
LRH view.
Keep on TROMing
Pete
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 28 JANUARY 1960
HCO Secs
Assn Secs
Mission Holders
THE KEY TO ALL CASES?RESPONSIBILITY
During the past three months I have made several important
discoveries in the field of the human mind which iron out the bits
and pieces that were getting in our road in making broad clearing
programmes possible.
First of these was the discovery that the tone arm of the E-Meter
rather than the needle was foremost in analyzing the case. When
the tone arm reads at three for males and two for females on the
modern meter a process can be considered flat.
Aside from various special states such as valence shifts, this
will hold true. When the tone arm reads at clear for the person?s
sex no matter what one attempts to restimulate on the case you
have a Clear.
Additionally the hot areas of the time track are located because
they throw the tone arm to higher or lower readings.
Good auditing today cannot be done without an E-Meter of good
reliable quality as distributed by HCO WW in the UK and by Wingate
Enterprises in the United States. It could be said that the
E-Meter has just now become an absolute necessity in auditing and
general analysis?using the E-Meter RIGHT we can achieve Clears.
Next, but not next in importance was the discovery of the anatomy
of RESPONSIBILITY. Although Responsibility has been known as a
case factor since 1951 (just as the overt-motivator sequence has
been) it has not been until now that I have been able to get it to
run well on cases.
Responsibility is a significance. Pcs define it in various ways.
And all rather tend to run from it.
Pcs in general pretend they would much rather be victims than
causative sources?which is what is wrong with their cases.
In order to get responsibility to run I had to find out a lot more
about it and not until the very end of 1959 was I able to define
it in any way that made it run and come into being on a case.
Now I mentioned the E-Meter first in this because it is
RESPONSIBILITY?LEVEL OF which causes the tone arm of the E-Meter
to fluctuate.
Place the pc in an area which has a very high tone arm reading or
a very low one and you find the pc in an area in time when he was
being very irresponsible.
It is not always true that a pc picked up as reading at the Clear
reading of his sex is high on responsibility. There is an
inversion of the matter where the pc is so very low on
responsibility that he just gets a body reading for his sex and
that is that.
The test of this is the running of Responsibility, as given in
this bulletin.
If the pc, run on Responsibility, changes the position of the tone
arm from the Clear reading then that pc has a very long way to go
perhaps before he can achieve any responsibility.
If a pc is run on responsibility as given herein, if his track is
explored, and if the tone arm reads and continues to read at Clear
then he is very responsible and very Clear. But you would have to
run the pc a bit not just read him on the meter in order to get an
accurate view of the matter.
In other words, don?t look for overts to check out on a case. Look
for tone arm fluctuations when responsibility is run. It takes at
least a certain level of responsibility to show up overt acts on
E-Meter.
What exactly does the E-Meter read?
It reads the degree of mental mass surrounding the thetan in a body.
A thetan accumulates mental mass, pictures, ridges, circuits, etc,
to the degree that he misassigns responsibility. If he does
something and then says that it was done by something or someone
else then he has failed to assign cause rightly and, doing so, he
is of course left with an apparently uncaused mental mass.
This to us is the ?bank?. To Freud it was the ?unconscious?. To
the psychiatrist it is lunacy. He therefore has as much bank as he
has denied cause. As he is the only cause that could hang himself
with a mass, the only misassigned cause therefore is self cause.
Other people?s causation is not aberrative and does not hang up
except to the degree that the pc is provoked to misassigning
cause. Other people?s cause is therefore never audited.
Here then we have the anatomy of the reactive mind. The common
denominator of all these unwanted ridges, masses, pictures,
engrams, etc, is RESPONSIBILITY.
The discovery of the direct anatomy of RESPONSIBILITY is as follows:
Able to admit causation.
Able to withhold from.
This you will recognize as old reach and withdraw and as the
fundamental of every successful process. But now we can refine
this into the exact process that accomplishes a removal of the
reactive mind and reestablishment of causation and responsibility.
A thetan will not restore his own ability until he is certain he
can withhold from things. When he finds he cannot then he reduces
his own power. He will not let himself be more powerful than he
believes he can use power. When he gets mad he of course can
control nothing, neither can he really direct anything. When he
causes something that he thinks is bad, he next seeks to withhold.
If he cannot withhold then he begins to compulsively cause things
that are bad and you have overt acts happening.
What we call responsibility is restored on any subject or in any
case by selecting a terminal (not a significance) and running on it:
WHAT COULD YOU ADMIT CAUSING A (TERMINAL)?
THINK OF SOMETHING YOU COULD WITHHOLD FROM A (TERMINAL).
Overt acts proceed from irresponsibility. Therefore when
responsibility declines, overt acts can occur. When responsibility
declines to zero then a person doing overt acts no longer
conceives them to be overt acts and YOU DO NOT EVEN GET A WIGGLE
ON THE E-METER NEEDLE when looking for overts and withholds on
such a case.
Thus some criminals would not register on overts at all even
though they had the loot in their pockets! And it is often
necessary on any case to run Cause/Withhold on present life
terminals as given above before the person can conceive of having
committed any overts against those terminals.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT: No case will run well and many cases will
not run at all with present life overts and withholds undisclosed
and unflattened.
These overts and withholds may not even come into view UNTIL THE
VERSION OF RESPONSIBILITY GIVEN HEREIN IS LIBERALLY RUN ON THE CASE.
Choose any area where the pc conceives himself to be a victim.
Select a terminal to represent that area that falls on an E-Meter.
Run cause/withhold as given herein on that terminal and watch the
overts pop into view. It is not necessary to handle these overts
when they come up with any other process than Cause/Withhold since
Cause/Withhold given here is Responsibility.
There are other factors on cases that need handling but these are
all handled with Responsibility processes. If all the factors
involved in a case are well handled as given herein you will have
a Theta Clear who will be able to do a lot of things humans can?t
do. And if you handled a case totally with this material and its
specialized skills then you would have an Operating Thetan.
Fortunately for this universe no thetan will let himself go free
unless he can operate without danger to others and the
responsibility factor is way up on all dynamics.
This material is covered in tape lectures from the Washington
January Congress 1960 (nine hours) and in the HCS Course lectures,
Washington, January 1960 (nine hours).
The Congress, which was very warmly received in Washington, is
being replayed in many areas by public demand and the HCS Course
is being given as the HCS/BScn Course in all Central Organizations.
This is the major breakthrough we are starting the 1960s with. We
are counting on HGCs turning out Theta Clears at regular intervals
and we are working to get all staffs of Central Organizations
through to Theta Clear on staff clearing courses.
This material is also being used on PE Courses which now should
run as follows: One week PE Course with TR demonstrations, this
free.
People pass from this course directly into co-Audit (no Comm
Course) at a fee, on the following process:
?What could you admit causing a person??
?What could you withhold from a person??
Terminals other than ?person? may be selected by the Co-Audit
Instructor. A full intensive given by HGCs on the basis of OT-3
Procedure is sufficiently in advance of this to make individual
auditing necessary in most cases. OT-3 has been released to all
Central Orgs who have the Washington HCS tapes.
The CCHs are used on cases incapable of defining terms.
In view of this material and what is now known of responsibility
and overts and what they do to case level, a new kind of justice
comes into being, making it completely unnecessary to punish.
You can know a person by his case level. Does it advance or
doesn?t it? Does he elect others ogres when he himself has been
doing things or does he show Scientology in himself?
This is a brand new look and it can be made a brand new earth. We
started the 1960s the right way as I think you will discover.
L. RON HUBBARD
Founder
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 14:09:50 +0100
From: Leo Faulhaber <leo.faulha...@gmail.com>
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Re Ethics (Paul Tipon)
2. Re: Tone Arm (Colleen K. Peltomaa)
3. RE Ethics (Colleen K. Peltomaa)
4. Re: Tone Arm (Pete Mclaughlin)
5. Re: TROM Ethics (Leo Faulhaber)
Thanks a lot to everybody who participated in the discussion of TROM ethics.
I got a couple of interesting opinions and viewpoints to consider.
After all the concept of ethics in TROM is this: don't overwhelm!
All the best
Leo Faulhaber
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Hi Colleen,
My suggestion to your question.
Paul
On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Colleen K. Peltomaa wrote:
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> ...
> What do you suggest as a cure for persistent trolling?
For one's self, TimeBreaking, lots of RI and completing TROM thru
Level 5. For the 'Troller', ignore all for typically every incoming
response to the troller is taken as an overt whether in or out-Ethics
and then garnered as a motivator eliciting an evil overt in a return
response. You'll just have to accept that there are those who are
incapable of withholding or responding back with love, beauty and in-
Ethics until they have decided to put themselves on the path to Clear
and have Cleared themselves.
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Hello Pete,
Yes, as a scientologist Dennis left me in a bit of a mystery about what to
do about high tone arm, but I find his
data was complete for a strict Trommer. Thankfully I have an auditor who
is also doing TROM and the high
TA is getting handled with scientology grades, and I'm also feeling much
better about myself now that I
re-started RI and Level 2.
Did you complete your grades in the RPF?
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Hello Roberto,
Your answer is generally agreed upon but I have not seen it work very well.
Either a ban from posting or starting up a new thread everytime the
energies
get sucked out of the thread, as you described, is all that I see
happening.
I'd like to see more trommers posting on this list and feeling that this is
a safe and respectable list and that they will get some cogent responses.
I feel a SHIFT occurring regarding this list.
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 00:19:39 -0800
From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com>
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Hi Colleen
I was not talented at auditing so could not Claudia my way out of the RPF.
After a year they routed me out of the SO and I was happy to leave without
being stuck with a debt to repay.
Sincerely
Pete
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> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:58 PM, "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <cygnifi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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> Hello Pete,
> Yes, as a scientologist Dennis left me in a bit of a mystery about what
to do about high tone arm, but I find his
> data was complete for a strict Trommer. Thankfully I have an auditor
who is also doing TROM and the high
> TA is getting handled with scientology grades, and I'm also feeling much
better about myself now that I
> re-started RI and Level 2.
>
> Did you complete your grades in the RPF?
>
> colleen
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:14:56 -0500
From: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <cygnifi...@gmail.com>
To: Trom@lists.newciv.org
Subject: [TROM1] RE Thanks
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Thank you for setting an example. Eckhart Tolle community has some buzz
about Tolle's description of "Frequency Holders" for the planet. He
honors those who are creative extroverts (voluntary games players) and also
those who choose to move towards a no-games condition.
When I clear my mind that will be one less mind keeping the "suffering"
here.
David Hawkins was asked to reside in South Korea because it was felt that
his presence there would keep war away.
When you have Presence your life will never be the same again -- and the
lives of those who share the Presence.
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:19:29 -0500
From: "David M. Pelly" <david.pe...@hotmail.ca>
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Excellent advice, Alberto.
I have been doing that ( exactly as you say) for a good month
and found it to be more than extremely helpful.
There is huge charge and gains to be made "in there".
In my opinion, more than there is in all of L4.
Actually was doing that from the time I woke up this morning.
And plan to do more as soon as I get off this computer.
David
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 16:55:06 +0000
From: albertosantosfra...@sapo.pt
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To resolve hi TA PUT THE METER IN GARBAGE! IS A DISTRACTION!
Run lots of RI ON BE, DO, HAVE! AND NOT BE, NOT DO, NOT HAVE! RUN OUT
ALL IMPORTANCES SELF AND OTHERS!
Than just variate start all over again.
Than ran level 2 to full EP KEEPING DOING LOTS OF RI INCLUDING
OBJETIVE RI! TELM ME YOUR WHINS!
LOVE!
A Santos!
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> Hi Colleen,
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> My suggestion to your question.
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> Paul
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> On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Colleen K. Peltomaa wrote:
>>
>> ...
>
>> What do you suggest as a cure for persistent trolling?
>
> For one's self, TimeBreaking, lots of RI and completing TROM thru
> Level 5. For the 'Troller', ignore all for typically every incoming
> response to the troller is taken as an overt whether in or out-Ethics
> and then garnered as a motivator eliciting an evil overt in a return
> response. You'll just have to accept that there are those who are
> incapable of withholding or responding back with love, beauty and in-
> Ethics until they have decided to put themselves on the path to Clear
> and have Cleared themselves.
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> Hello Pete,
> Yes, as a scientologist Dennis left me in a bit of a mystery about what to
> do about high tone arm, but I find his
> data was complete for a strict Trommer. Thankfully I have an auditor who
> is also doing TROM and the high
> TA is getting handled with scientology grades, and I'm also feeling much
> better about myself now that I
> re-started RI and Level 2.
>
> Did you complete your grades in the RPF?
>
> colleen
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> From: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <cygnifi...@gmail.com>
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> Hello Roberto,
> Your answer is generally agreed upon but I have not seen it work
very well.
> Either a ban from posting or starting up a new thread everytime
the energies
> get sucked out of the thread, as you described, is all that I see
happening.
>
> I'd like to see more trommers posting on this list and feeling
that this is
> a safe and respectable list and that they will get some cogent responses.
>
> I feel a SHIFT occurring regarding this list.
>
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> Hi Colleen
>
> I was not talented at auditing so could not Claudia my way out of
> the RPF. After a year they routed me out of the SO and I was happy
> to leave without being stuck with a debt to repay.
>
> Sincerely
> Pete
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:58 PM, "Colleen K. Peltomaa"
>> <cygnifi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello Pete,
>> Yes, as a scientologist Dennis left me in a bit of a mystery about
>> what to do about high tone arm, but I find his
>> data was complete for a strict Trommer. Thankfully I have an
>> auditor who is also doing TROM and the high
>> TA is getting handled with scientology grades, and I'm also feeling
>> much better about myself now that I
>> re-started RI and Level 2.
>>
>> Did you complete your grades in the RPF?
>>
>> colleen
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